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Does this bill make any sense?


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HR 1550 IH
111th CONGRESS
1st Session
H. R. 1550
To accelerate motor fuel savings nationwide and provide incentives to
registered owners of high polluting automobiles to replace such automobiles
with new fuel efficient and less polluting automobiles or public
transportation.
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
March 17, 2009
Ms. SUTTON (for herself, Mr. BRALEY of Iowa, and Mrs. MILLER of Michigan)
introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Energy
and Commerce, and in addition to the Committee on Transportation and
Infrastructure, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker,
in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the
jurisdiction of the committee concerned

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A BILL
To accelerate motor fuel savings nationwide and provide incentives to
registered owners of high polluting automobiles to replace such automobiles
with new fuel efficient and less polluting automobiles or public
transportation.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United
States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the ‘Consumer Assistance to Recycle and Save Act of
2009’.
SEC. 2. DEFINITIONS.
In this Act:
(1) AUTOMOBILE; MANUFACTURER; MODEL; MODEL YEAR; PASSENGER AUTOMOBILE- The
terms ‘automobile’, ‘manufacturer’, ‘model’, ‘model year,’ ‘passenger
automobile,’ and ‘work truck’ have the meanings given such terms in section
32901(a) of title 49, United States Code.
(2) CERTIFICATE OF TITLE- The term ‘certificate of title’ means a valid
State-issued title or other document showing ownership by a person of an
automobile.
(3) DEALER- The term ‘dealer’ means a person engaged in any State in the
business of selling or leasing in interstate commerce new automobiles
(except a person buying such automobile as a dealer) to an ultimate
purchaser.
(4) DISMANTLER- The term ‘dismantler’ means a person residing in a State and
is licensed or otherwise authorized by a State or local government to
operate a business employing 3 or more persons to take automobiles apart for
the purpose of reclaiming usable parts and recyclable materials.
(5) DISTRIBUTOR- The term ‘distributor’ means a person who acts for, and is
under the control of, a manufacturer in connection with the distribution of
new automobiles or new automobile engines, but shall not include any dealer
with respect to such automobiles or engines received by such person in
commerce.
(6) ELIGIBLE HIGH POLLUTING AUTOMOBILE- The term ‘eligible high polluting
automobile’ means an automobile that, at the time it is presented for
participation in the program established under section 3 of this Act, it--
(A) is in drivable condition; and
(B) has been continuously registered and licensed to operate on public roads
in any State for a period of not fewer than 120 consecutive days immediately
prior to such presentation.
(7) HIGH POLLUTING AUTOMOBILE- The term ‘high polluting automobile’ means an
automobile that is either an inefficient or high polluting automobile and
that was issued a certificate of conformity with the regulations prescribed
under section 202 of the Clean Air Act (42 U.S.C. 7521) for any model year
before model year 2001, and is not a new fuel efficient automobile.
(8) HIGHWAY LABEL FUEL ECONOMY VALUE- The term ‘highway label fuel economy
value’ means the number, expressed in miles per gallon, centered directly
below the words ‘Highway MPG’ on the label required to be affixed or caused
to be affixed on a new automobile pursuant to subpart D of part 600 of title
40 Code of Federal Regulations.
(9) CITY LABEL FUEL ECONOMY VALUE- The term ‘city label fuel economy value’
means the number, expressed in miles per gallon, centered directly below the
words ‘City MPG’ on the label required to be affixed or caused to be affixed
on a new automobile pursuant to subpart D of part 600 of title 40 Code of
Federal Regulations.
(10) BATTERY ELECTRIC AUTOMOBILE- The term ‘battery electric automobile’
means an automobile that--
(A) draws motive power from a battery with a capacity of at least 4-kilowatt
hours; and
(B) is recharged from an external source of electricity for motive power.
(11) NEW FUEL EFFICIENT AUTOMOBILE- The term ‘new fuel efficient automobile’
means a model year 2009, 2010, or 2011 passenger automobile, nonpassenger
automobile, or work truck for which--
(A) a manufacturer, distributor, or dealer has never, except in accordance
with the Program established by this Act, transferred the equitable or legal
title by contract, lease or other means thereof to an ultimate purchaser;
(B) a dealer participating in such Program may, during the period beginning
after the date in calendar year 2009 that the interim final regulations
required by section 3(f) of this Act are promulgated by the Secretary and
ending on December 31, 2010, accept a voucher under such Program as an
offset of the purchase price of such automobile paid by such purchaser; and
(C) at the time of such purchase of such automobile by an ultimate
purchaser--
(i) carries a manufacturer’s suggested retail price of $35,000 or less; and
(ii) achieves the emission standard listed as tier 2, bin 5 in table S04-1
under section 86.1811-04 of title 40, Code of Federal Regulation.
(12) NONPASSENGER AUTOMOBILE- The term ‘nonpassenger automobile’ means an
automobile classified as a light truck under part 523 of title 49, Code of
Federal Regulations, and is not a work truck.
(13) PERSON- The term ‘person’ has the meaning given such term in section
551 of title 5, United States Code.
(14) PLUG-IN ELECTRIC DRIVE AUTOMOBILE- The term ‘plug-in electric drive
automobile’ has the same meaning given the term ‘new qualified plug-in
electric drive motor vehicle’ in section 30D(d)(1) through (4) of the
Internal Revenue Code of 1986.
(15) PROGRAM- The term ‘Program’ means the Consumer Assistance to Recycle
and Save (CARS) Program established by section 3 of this Act.
(16) REGISTERED WORK TRUCK- The term ‘registered work truck’ means a work
truck that--
(A) a dealer, at the time of acquisition by an ultimate purchaser of a work
truck for which a voucher under section 3 of this Act is applied, registers
such truck as a commercial vehicle under the applicable State law for such
purchaser as the registered owner thereof; and
(B) achieves the emission standard listed as tier 2, bin 5 in Table S04-1
under section 86.1811-04 of title 40, Code of Federal Regulations.
(17) REGISTERED OWNER- The term ‘registered owner’ means, with respect to an
automobile or work truck, the person identified as the ultimate purchaser of
such automobile or work truck on the title or other form or certificate of
registration issued by a State.
(18) SCRAP RECYCLER- The term ‘scrap recycler’ means a person licensed or
otherwise authorized by a State or local government to do business--
(A) employing 3 or more individuals at a fixed location in a State, where
machinery and equipment are utilized for processing and manufacturing scrap
metal into prepared grades; and
(B) whose principal product is scrap iron, scrap steel, or nonferrous
metallic scrap for sale for remelting purposes.
(19) ADMINISTRATOR; SECRETARY- The terms ‘Administrator’ and ‘Secretary’
mean the Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency, and the
Secretary of Transportation, respectively.
(20) STATE- The term ‘State’ has the meaning given such term in section
32101 of title 49, United States Code.
(21) ULTIMATE PURCHASER- The term ‘ultimate purchaser’ means, with respect
to any new automobile, the first person who in good faith purchases such
automobile for purposes other than resale.
(22) VOUCHER- The term ‘voucher’ means a voucher issued to the registered
owner of an eligible high polluting automobile under section 3(a) of (g).
SEC. 3. ACCELERATED RECYCLING OF INEFFICIENT VEHICLES PROGRAM.
(a) Establishment- There is established in the Department of Transportation
a program to be known as the ‘Consumer Assistance to Recycle and Save (CARS)
Program’, for fiscal years 2009 through 2011, through which the Secretary,
in accordance with this Act and the regulations promulgated thereunder,
shall--
(1) encourage and allow any dealer, dismantler, and scrap recycler in any
State to participate in the Program;
(2) authorize the issuance by participating dealers of a vouchers to any
person who is a registered owner of a high polluting automobile, and who
transfers such automobile, together with the applicable certificate of title
for the automobile, to a dealer, or, in the case of subsection (g) of this
section, to a dismantler or scrape recycler;
(3) require that all dealers participating in the Program accept vouchers
submitted to them as provided in this Act as partial payment for the
purchase of a new fuel efficient automobile;
(4) require that each participating dealer agree to accept any high
polluting automobile from a registered owner thereof and upon the transfer
by such owner of a certificate of title to such automobile shall issue a
voucher for such automobile to the owner, which may be immediately redeemed
by such owner for the purchase of a new fuel efficient automobile that,
using for comparison purposes only the average full economy standard
applicable to the make and model of each such automobile (taking into
consideration relevant factors established and published by the Secretary,
in coordination with the Administration), is shown to be more fuel efficient
than such high polluting vehicle;
(5) require that participating dealers, dismantlers, and scrap recyclers
agree to comply with the applicable provisions of subsection (e) of this
section; and
(6) electronically transfer funds to a participating dealer within 10 days
after receipt from such dealer of--
(A) a voucher issued by the dealer and redeemed for the purchase of a new
fuel efficient automobile; and
(B) the applicable certifications required under this Act.
(b) Amount of Voucher-
(1) VOUCHER REDEMPTION VALUE IF USED TOWARD PURCHASE OF NEW FUEL EFFICIENT
AUTOMOBILE- A voucher issued under the Program may be applied to offset a
portion of the purchase price of one new fuel efficient automobile meeting
the criteria set forth in this paragraph, which portion shall be the amount
of--
(A) $4,000 for a--
(i) passenger automobile assembled in the United States with a minimum
highway label fuel economy value of 27 miles per gallon;
(ii) passenger automobile assembled in North America with a minimum highway
label fuel economy value of 30 miles per gallon; or
(iii) nonpassenger automobile assembled in the United States with a minimum
highway label fuel economy value of 24 miles per gallon;
(B) $5,000 for a--
(i) passenger automobile assembled in the United States with a minimum
highway label fuel economy value of 30 miles per gallon; or
(ii) work truck assembled in the United States registered by the dealer as a
registered work truck; or
(C) $3,000 for a nonpassenger automobile assembled in North America with a
minimum highway value of 24 miles per gallon.
(2) NO COMBINATION OF VOUCHER REDEMPTION VALUES- The voucher redemption
values under subsections (b)(1)(A), (b)(1)(B), and (b)(1)(C) of this section
shall not be combined. If a new fuel efficient automobile meets the criteria
set forth in more than one such subsection, the purchaser of the new fuel
efficient automobile may designate which subsection applies for purposes of
determining the voucher redemption value.
(c) Administrative Payments to Participating Dealers, Dismantlers, and Scrap
Recycling Facilities- The Secretary shall provide for a payment of $50, or
another greater amount determined reasonable by the Secretary, to
participating dealers, dismantlers, and scrap recyclers for each voucher
issued under the Program in consideration of their administrative and other
similar costs related to such issuance and for the issuance of the
certification required by subsection (e)(3) of this section.
(d) Lists of Eligible Automobiles To Be Maintained- The Secretary shall
prepare, maintain, publicize, and make available through the Internet, lists
of automobiles, classified by make and model, which are classified under
this section as--
(1) eligible high polluting automobiles; or
(2) new fuel efficient automobiles.
(e) Program Specifications-
(1) LIMITATIONS-
(A) NUMBER OF VOUCHERS PER PERSON- A person may be issued not more than 1
voucher and the person must demonstrate, in a manner prescribed by rule by
the Secretary, that such person--
(i) is the registered owner of an eligible high polluting automobile; and
(ii) attests that such high polluting automobile has not been imported into
the United States during the previous 4-month period.
(B) OFFSET- A dealer--
(i) shall credit the amount of the voucher being applied toward the purchase
of a new fuel efficient automobile; and
(ii) may not offset the amount of the voucher against any other rebate or
discount otherwise being offered by the dealer or manufacturer.
(C) JOINT OWNERSHIP- Not more than 1 voucher may be issued to the joint
registered owners of an eligible high polluting automobile.
(D) NO COMBINATION OF VOUCHERS- A person may only apply 1 voucher issued
under the Program toward the purchase of a new fuel efficient automobile.
(E) COMBINATION WITH OTHER INCENTIVES PERMITTED- Notwithstanding any other
provision of law, the availability or use of a Federal or State tax
incentive or a State-issued voucher for the purchase of a new fuel efficient
automobile shall not limit the value or issuance of a voucher under the
Program to any person otherwise eligible to receive such a voucher.
(F) DURATION- Each voucher shall expire 90 days after the date on which the
voucher is issued and may not be renewed.
(G) PROMPT FULFILLMENT OF REDEMPTION REQUESTS REQUIRED- The Secretary shall
provide for the payment of all vouchers submitted to the Secretary for
redemption in accordance with this section.
(H) NUMBER AND AMOUNT- The total number and value of vouchers issued under
the Program may not exceed the amounts appropriated for such purpose.
(2) ADMINISTRATION OF PROGRAM- The Secretary shall establish by the date
interim final regulations are promulgated under subsection (f) of this
section a web-based system for the administration and electronic transfer of
vouchers and funds for the Program. The web-based system shall at a
minimum--
(A) provide information to the public regarding the purposes of the Program,
and how to obtain and redeem vouchers;
(B) provide information to consumers regarding the availability of new fuel
efficient automobiles for which vouchers may be used and transit passes or
fare credit;
(C) provide information to participating dealers, dismantlers, and scrap
recyclers regarding how to verify that a registered owner requesting a
voucher has an eligible high polluting automobile;
(D) provide for the electronic issuance of vouchers once eligibility has
been verified; and
(E) provide electronic fund transfer of funds to participating dealers,
dismantlers, and scrap recyclers in accordance with section. In addition to
the web-based system, the Secretary may use such other means as the
Secretary deems necessary to educate consumers regarding the voucher program
and carry out other aspects of the program.
(3) DISPOSITION OF ELIGIBLE HIGH POLLUTING AUTOMOBILES-
(A) IN GENERAL- Any dealer who receives a certificate of title to any
eligible high polluting automobile in exchange for a voucher under the
Program shall certify to the Secretary, in such manner as the Secretary
shall prescribe, by rule, that such title has been retired or otherwise
extinguished and not re-issued and that the dealer has received from a
dismantler or recycler a certification that such automobile, engine and
drive train (within such period as the Secretary prescribes by rule)--
(i) will be crushed or shredded within such period as the Secretary
prescribes;
(ii) will be processed prior to crushing or shredding to ensure the removal
and appropriate disposition of refrigerants, antifreeze, lead products,
mercury switches, and such other toxic or hazardous vehicle components as
the Secretary may specify by rule; and
(iii) has not been, and will not be, registered, sold, leased, exchanged,
distributed, or otherwise operated at any time as an automobile in the
United States or in any foreign country.
(B) SAVINGS PROVISION- Nothing in subparagraph (A) may be construed to
preclude a dismantler or recycler from--
(i) removing any parts of such crushed or shredded high polluting
automobile, other than the engine block and drive train, and selling them
for use as replacement parts; or
(ii) retaining the proceeds from such sale.
(C) COORDINATION- The Secretary shall coordinate with the Attorney General
to ensure that the National Motor Vehicle Title Information System is
appropriately updated to reflect the crushing or shredding of high polluting
automobiles under this section.
(f) Rulemaking- Not later than 60 days after the date of the enactment of
this Act, the Secretary shall promulgate interim final regulations to
implement the Program, including--
(1) the removal and disposition of toxic or hazardous materials from
eligible high polluting vehicles presented for participation in the program;
and
(2) the enforcement of the penalties described in section 4 of this Act.
(g) Transit Fare Credits- The Secretary shall promulgate regulations
establishing criteria that allow operators of bus and rail public transit
systems participating in the program to redeem from the Secretary the
allowable value of transit fare vouchers properly issued by such operators
to any person who is a registered owner of a high polluting automobile under
this Act to offset the purchase price of annual or monthly transit passes or
any other form of individual transit fare credit designated by the transit
system operator. Participating transit system operators shall establish the
terms and conditions for the ownership, use, and expiration of any transit
fare credits acquired through the use of a transit fare voucher issued under
this subsection. Such transit vouchers may only be issued by a person who is
a dismantler or scrap recycler in lieu of vouchers issued under subsection
(a) if a high polluting automobile of a registered owner is accepted by any
such dismantler or scrap recycler, such owner transfers the certificate of
title for such automobile to either such person, and such voucher includes
the certification by such dismantler or recycler required by subsection
(e)(3) of this section. The amount of any such voucher shall be $3,000. The
Secretary shall electronically transfer funds to cover such vouchers to such
operators.
(h) Disclaimer- Nothing in this Act or any other provision of law limits the
authority of Congress or the Secretary to terminate or limit the Program or
the issuance of vouchers under this Act or the issuance of transit fare
vouchers.
SEC. 4. PENALTIES.
(a) Violation- It shall be unlawful for any person to violate any provision
under this Act or any regulations issued pursuant to section 3(f) of this
Act.
(b) Penalties- Any person who commits a violation described in subsection
(a) shall be liable to the United States Government for a civil penalty of
not more than $5,000 for each violation. A separate violation shall be
deemed to have occurred for each day the person continues to be in violation
of any provision under this Act.
SEC. 5. REPORT.
The Secretary shall submit a semi-annual report to the Committee on
Commerce, Science, and Transportation of the Senate and the Committee on
Energy and Commerce of the House of Representatives that specifies, for the
most recent 6-month period--
(1) the number of vouchers which have been used under the Program; and
(2) the make, model, model year, location of sale, and manufacturing
location of each vehicle traded in or purchased under the Program.
SEC. 6. POST-2010 VOUCHERS TO RECYCLE INEFFICIENT VEHICLES AND ENCOURAGE
PURCHASE OF NEW BATTERY ELECTRIC AUTOMOBILES AND PLUG-IN ELECTRIC DRIVE
AUTOMOBILES.
Effective for model year 2011, the Secretary shall, by rule, revise the
Program established under section 3 of this Act to provide for the issuance
by dealers of vouchers to registered owners of a high polluting automobile,
who transfer a certificate of title to such automobile to the dealer to be
redeemed in such model year and for two subsequent model years to offset the
purchase price of a new battery electric automobile or a new plug-in
electric drive automobile, in accordance with the applicable provisions of
this Act and related regulations, as so revised or modified by the Secretary
consistent with this section. For purposes of determining the amount of a
voucher issued under this section for purposes of such redemption, the
voucher amount shall be $7,500 for either a passenger or nonpassenger
automobile assembled in the United States and each such automobile shall
have a minimum city label fuel economy value of 100 miles per gallon.
SEC. 7. AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS.
There are authorized to be appropriated such sums as may be necessary to the
Secretary of Transportation to enable the Secretary to carry out the Program
authorized under section 3 of this Act beginning in calendar year 2009,
under section 6 beginning in calendar year 2010, and such sums shall remain
available until expended.
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Re: CARS

Chip Gribben
This is the "Cash for Clunkers" Bill.

Obama wants you to trade in your old gas guzzler to buy something new  
and more fuel efficient which will hopefully stimulate the American  
car industry.

If you do trade in your old gas guzzler you get something like $4500  
or $4800 (can't recall exactly) towards the price of the new car.

Question is, where is that money coming from to pay the $4500 which I  
think is still being hashed out.

I didn't read through all of the Bill you sent because of my ADHD,  
but basically this is the Cash for Clunkers bill.

I heard about it on the radio today.

You can tell this is to help benefit the US auto industry by who  
introduced it.

I wonder if this applies if I turn in my old Chevy Biscayne for a Tesla.

Chip




On Jun 9, 2009, at 9:38 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

> Message: 20
> Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 16:01:53 -0800
> From: m gol <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [EVDL] CARS
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[hidden email]>
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
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> Does this bill make any sense?
>
>
> http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-1550
>
> HR 1550 IH
> 111th CONGRESS
> 1st Session
> H. R. 1550
> To accelerate motor fuel savings nationwide and provide incentives to
> registered owners of high polluting automobiles to replace such  
> automobiles
> with new fuel efficient and less polluting automobiles or public
> transportation.
> IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
> March 17, 2009
> Ms. SUTTON (for herself, Mr. BRALEY of Iowa, and Mrs. MILLER of  
> Michigan)
> introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee  
> on Energy
> and Commerce, and in addition to the Committee on Transportation and
> Infrastructure, for a period to be subsequently determined by the  
> Speaker,
> in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the
> jurisdiction of the committee concerned
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Re: CARS

RICKRUNS26
In reply to this post by Mike Golub-2
I know it sounds like a fairly good idea to get us  into more efficient
vehicles but what it will do for EV conversions is  raise the price of donor
vehicles to a minimum of 3500 to 4500 dollars. I wasn't  planning to spend
that much.
     If this works like they want it should only cost  about a billion
(roughly 250,000 cars). Chump change compared to a bank  bailout.
     Hopefully when you trade your Biscayne you will  get the 4500 for the
clunker bill and the EV credit if your state has one. It  used to be 4000 in
Il where I live. I'm pretty sure it still is.
         Rick Miller
 
 
In a message dated 6/9/2009 10:29:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[hidden email] writes:

This is  the "Cash for Clunkers" Bill.

Obama wants you to trade in your old gas  guzzler to buy something new  
and more fuel efficient which will  hopefully stimulate the American  
car industry.

If you do  trade in your old gas guzzler you get something like $4500  
or $4800  (can't recall exactly) towards the price of the new car.

Question is,  where is that money coming from to pay the $4500 which I  
think is  still being hashed out.

I didn't read through all of the Bill you sent  because of my ADHD,  
but basically this is the Cash for Clunkers  bill.

I heard about it on the radio today.

You can tell this is  to help benefit the US auto industry by who  
introduced it.

I  wonder if this applies if I turn in my old Chevy Biscayne for a  Tesla.

Chip




On Jun 9, 2009, at 9:38 PM,  [hidden email] wrote:

> Message: 20
> Date: Tue, 9  Jun 2009 16:01:53 -0800
> From: m gol <[hidden email]>
>  Subject: [EVDL] CARS
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List  <[hidden email]>
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>      <[hidden email]>
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>
> Does this  bill make any sense?
>
>
>  http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-1550
>
> HR  1550 IH
> 111th CONGRESS
> 1st Session
> H. R. 1550
>  To accelerate motor fuel savings nationwide and provide incentives to
>  registered owners of high polluting automobiles to replace such  
>  automobiles
> with new fuel efficient and less polluting automobiles or  public
> transportation.
> IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
>  March 17, 2009
> Ms. SUTTON (for herself, Mr. BRALEY of Iowa, and Mrs.  MILLER of  
> Michigan)
> introduced the following bill;  which was referred to the Committee  
> on Energy
> and  Commerce, and in addition to the Committee on Transportation and
>  Infrastructure, for a period to be subsequently determined by the  
> Speaker,
> in each case for consideration of such provisions as  fall within the
> jurisdiction of the committee  concerned
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RICKRUNS26
In reply to this post by Mike Golub-2
I know it sounds like a fairly good idea to get us into  more efficient
vehicles but what it will do for EV conversions is raise the  price of donor
vehicles to a minimum of 3500 to 4500 dollars. I wasn't planning  to spend
that much.
If this works like they want it  should only cost about a billion (roughly
250,000 cars). Chump change compared  to a bank bailout.
Hopefully when you trade your  Biscayne you will get the 4500 for the
clunker bill and the EV credit if your  state has one. It used to be 4000 in Il
where I live. I'm pretty sure it still  is.
Rick Miller





In a message dated 6/9/2009 10:29:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[hidden email] writes:
This is the "Cash for Clunkers" Bill.

Obama  wants you to trade in your old gas guzzler to buy something new  
and  more fuel efficient which will hopefully stimulate the American  
car  industry.

If you do trade in your old gas guzzler you get something like  $4500  
or $4800 (can't recall exactly) towards the price of the new  car.

Question is, where is that money coming from to pay the $4500 which  I  
think is still being hashed out.

I didn't read through all of  the Bill you sent because of my ADHD,  
but basically this is the Cash  for Clunkers bill.

I heard about it on the radio today.

You can  tell this is to help benefit the US auto industry by who  
introduced  it.

I wonder if this applies if I turn in my old Chevy Biscayne for a  Tesla.

Chip
 
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Re: CARS

Adrian DeLeon
>> This is the "Cash for Clunkers" Bill.

> what it will do for EV conversions is raise the  price of donor vehicles  
> to a minimum of 3500 to 4500 dollars

Probably not. Good conversion candidates already get decent gas mileage.  
John's F-250 and Roland's El Camino are glaring exceptions.

Does the bill also cover vehicles that are not in running condition? Cars  
with blown motors are also good conversion candidates. In either case,  
spending $3,000 on a donor isn't a bad idea. The end result will be a MUCH  
nicer EV, compared to an old junker with $8,000+ of EV parts shoved into  
it.

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Re: CARS

Thos True
The bill requires that it has been running and licensed for at least 120
days prior to turning it in for the voucher.
This bill has been floated in the past, and a similar concept has been
enacted in Britain this year. It is commonly known as the scrappage bill.
New Jersey put a similar bill into action in the '90's for an entirely
different reason. It seems that the Governor's wife was tired of seeing car
hulks in some neighborhoods, and asked for a bill to allow for a cleaner
landscape. Yes that created several lawsuits, but there were hundreds of
cars scrapped in the process.
With the right motives, there is cause to support such an idea, but I
believe that there will be many special interest tug-o-wars before this bill
flys through the the prez's desk. -Thos

On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 10:26 PM, Adrian DeLeon <[hidden email]> wrote:

> >> This is the "Cash for Clunkers" Bill.
>
> > what it will do for EV conversions is raise the  price of donor vehicles
> > to a minimum of 3500 to 4500 dollars
>
> Probably not. Good conversion candidates already get decent gas mileage.
> John's F-250 and Roland's El Camino are glaring exceptions.
>
> Does the bill also cover vehicles that are not in running condition? Cars
> with blown motors are also good conversion candidates. In either case,
> spending $3,000 on a donor isn't a bad idea. The end result will be a MUCH
> nicer EV, compared to an old junker with $8,000+ of EV parts shoved into
> it.
>
> -Adrian
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Re: CARS

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 "Cash for Clunkers" Bill
$4500-$4800 trade

My question is, "What is the lowest-priced car I can buy under this plan?"
I know it has to be made in the US.  Does the company have to be US-owned?

Ok, that's more than one question.

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Re: CARS

Mike Golub-2
no you can buy a foreign car, but you get less credit.

I think the bill passed the House today?

Also, I was more concerned about not be able to find any donor cars...if
this happens?



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>  "Cash for Clunkers" Bill
> $4500-$4800 trade
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> My question is, "What is the lowest-priced car I can buy under this plan?"
> I know it has to be made in the US.  Does the company have to be US-owned?
>
> Ok, that's more than one question.
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> -Joe
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Re: CARS

Douglas A. Stansfield
If this happens where are all the cars actually going to go?  The route of
the EV1?  If someone trades in a car and gets the credit, can the car ever
be resold again or does the car have to be totally removed from the market?


Also, I wondered why it is so hard to find donors in NJ.........


Sincerely;

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President
www.TransAtlanticElectricConversions.com

973-875-6276 (office)
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Of m gol
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 9:55 AM
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] CARS

no you can buy a foreign car, but you get less credit.

I think the bill passed the House today?

Also, I was more concerned about not be able to find any donor cars...if
this happens?



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>  "Cash for Clunkers" Bill
> $4500-$4800 trade
>
> My question is, "What is the lowest-priced car I can buy under this plan?"
> I know it has to be made in the US.  Does the company have to be US-owned?
>
> Ok, that's more than one question.
>
> -Joe
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Re: CARS

Roger Heuckeroth
Yes, the VIN numbers can never be reregistered.  The cars are sent to  
a "recycler".

On Jun 10, 2009, at 10:01 AM, Douglas A. Stansfield wrote:

> If this happens where are all the cars actually going to go?  The  
> route of
> the EV1?  If someone trades in a car and gets the credit, can the  
> car ever
> be resold again or does the car have to be totally removed from the  
> market?
>
>
> Also, I wondered why it is so hard to find donors in NJ.........
>
>
> Sincerely;
>
> Douglas A. Stansfield
> President
> www.TransAtlanticElectricConversions.com
>
> 973-875-6276 (office)
> 973-670-9208 (cell)
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]  
> On Behalf
> Of m gol
> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 9:55 AM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] CARS
>
> no you can buy a foreign car, but you get less credit.
>
> I think the bill passed the House today?
>
> Also, I was more concerned about not be able to find any donor  
> cars...if
> this happens?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 4:48 AM, Joseph Bonaparte <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> "Cash for Clunkers" Bill
>> $4500-$4800 trade
>>
>> My question is, "What is the lowest-priced car I can buy under this  
>> plan?"
>> I know it has to be made in the US.  Does the company have to be US-
>> owned?
>>
>> Ok, that's more than one question.
>>
>> -Joe
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Re: CARS

Douglas A. Stansfield
Can an EV conversion business be classified as a "recycler"?


Sincerely;

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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf
Of Roger Heuckeroth
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:09 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] CARS

Yes, the VIN numbers can never be reregistered.  The cars are sent to  
a "recycler".

On Jun 10, 2009, at 10:01 AM, Douglas A. Stansfield wrote:

> If this happens where are all the cars actually going to go?  The  
> route of
> the EV1?  If someone trades in a car and gets the credit, can the  
> car ever
> be resold again or does the car have to be totally removed from the  
> market?
>
>
> Also, I wondered why it is so hard to find donors in NJ.........
>
>
> Sincerely;
>
> Douglas A. Stansfield
> President
> www.TransAtlanticElectricConversions.com
>
> 973-875-6276 (office)
> 973-670-9208 (cell)
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]  
> On Behalf
> Of m gol
> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 9:55 AM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] CARS
>
> no you can buy a foreign car, but you get less credit.
>
> I think the bill passed the House today?
>
> Also, I was more concerned about not be able to find any donor  
> cars...if
> this happens?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 4:48 AM, Joseph Bonaparte <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> "Cash for Clunkers" Bill
>> $4500-$4800 trade
>>
>> My question is, "What is the lowest-priced car I can buy under this  
>> plan?"
>> I know it has to be made in the US.  Does the company have to be US-
>> owned?
>>
>> Ok, that's more than one question.
>>
>> -Joe
>>
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Re: CARS, old ones

Bob Rice-2
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  Hi Doug;

  New Joisey? Ya have the same issues WE do in Corrupticut? Roads PILED with
salt in the winter, cars poorly designed to resist rust. When's the last
time you saw a living VW Rabbit? They are ALL gone to that great junkyard in
the sky! Hell! My 01 Prius is rusting at the rocker panels ,now, already!
NOW! ALL VW's LEAK, and EVERY Damn VW I EVER owned leaked, and was ALWAYS
damp or dripping around the floors!So THEY don't live long where we have
weather! Was listening to the oldie station playing "California Dreaming"
"it never rains in Southern  California? " Ha Ha, but it SNOWS up here, and
in my visit to Phoenix AZ I had to ford avenues where IF I opened my door I
would have had a car FULL of water. Necver rains THERE ether,RIGHT! the
Titanic's coming in Friday! This is a delema for comverters as we don't have
much of a selection of CLEAN older cars to work with, WITHOUT the computer
BS on todaze offerings!

    Seeya

    Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Heuckeroth" <[hidden email]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] CARS


> Yes, the VIN numbers can never be reregistered.  The cars are sent to
> a "recycler".
>
> On Jun 10, 2009, at 10:01 AM, Douglas A. Stansfield wrote:
>
>> If this happens where are all the cars actually going to go?  The
>> route of
>> the EV1?  If someone trades in a car and gets the credit, can the
>> car ever
>> be resold again or does the car have to be totally removed from the
>> market?
>>
>>
>> Also, I wondered why it is so hard to find donors in NJ.........
>>
>>
>> Sincerely;
>>
>> Douglas A. Stansfield
>> President
>> www.TransAtlanticElectricConversions.com
>>
>> 973-875-6276 (office)
>> 973-670-9208 (cell)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]
>> On Behalf
>> Of m gol
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 9:55 AM
>> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [EVDL] CARS
>>
>> no you can buy a foreign car, but you get less credit.
>>
>> I think the bill passed the House today?
>>
>> Also, I was more concerned about not be able to find any donor
>> cars...if
>> this happens?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 4:48 AM, Joseph Bonaparte <
>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> "Cash for Clunkers" Bill
>>> $4500-$4800 trade
>>>
>>> My question is, "What is the lowest-priced car I can buy under this
>>> plan?"
>>> I know it has to be made in the US.  Does the company have to be US-
>>> owned?
>>>
>>> Ok, that's more than one question.
>>>
>>> -Joe
>>>
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Re: CARS

Dave Hymers
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Dealers must provide proof that the car has been crushed/recycled/shredded.

This bill is a pile of dumb. It's hardly worth it if all you have to do to
qualify is get a minimum of 4mpg better out of your new vehicle.
YOU CAN DO THAT by accelerating slower and coasting a bit.
This is another auto stimulus packaged disguized as 'green' legislation.

I'm sick of this crap :(
And yes, I'm pretty sure it will make it slightly more of a pain to find
donors. I'd start writing letters to recyclers now, asking to be first in
line when discarded cars from this bill start rolling into thier yards.
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Re: CARS

Thos True
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In theory, yes, you can be a recycler while doing conversions. However, I am
thinking that you would need to apply for an entirely new title, complete
with a new VIN. The VIN seems to be the method of tracking the program. Not
sure that being a recycler is the best tact.
There may be a niche for some of us to offer conversions to those who would
rather have their vehicle converted than to see it shredded. Not to mention
that this plan requires you to use the "coupon" towards the purchase of a
new car that fits the emissions profile, requiring that add to your current
level of debt (to the tune of at least $20K). When one is looking at
financing a vehicle or financing the conversion of a vehicle, I am thinking
that the $10K of less to have your current clunker converted may be more
enticing that doubling the personal debt in your transportation file.
I predict that as this bill passes, we will see many classic cars converted
to an alternative power source as an effort to keep the licensed and
rolling.

On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Douglas A. Stansfield <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> Can an EV conversion business be classified as a "recycler"?
>
>
> Sincerely;
>
> Douglas A. Stansfield
> President
> www.TransAtlanticElectricConversions.com
>
> 973-875-6276 (office)
> 973-670-9208 (cell)
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On
> Behalf
> Of Roger Heuckeroth
> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:09 AM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] CARS
>
> Yes, the VIN numbers can never be reregistered.  The cars are sent to
> a "recycler".
>
> On Jun 10, 2009, at 10:01 AM, Douglas A. Stansfield wrote:
>
> > If this happens where are all the cars actually going to go?  The
> > route of
> > the EV1?  If someone trades in a car and gets the credit, can the
> > car ever
> > be resold again or does the car have to be totally removed from the
> > market?
> >
> >
> > Also, I wondered why it is so hard to find donors in NJ.........
> >
> >
> > Sincerely;
> >
> > Douglas A. Stansfield
> > President
> > www.TransAtlanticElectricConversions.com
> >
> > 973-875-6276 (office)
> > 973-670-9208 (cell)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]
> > On Behalf
> > Of m gol
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 9:55 AM
> > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] CARS
> >
> > no you can buy a foreign car, but you get less credit.
> >
> > I think the bill passed the House today?
> >
> > Also, I was more concerned about not be able to find any donor
> > cars...if
> > this happens?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 4:48 AM, Joseph Bonaparte <
> > [hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >> "Cash for Clunkers" Bill
> >> $4500-$4800 trade
> >>
> >> My question is, "What is the lowest-priced car I can buy under this
> >> plan?"
> >> I know it has to be made in the US.  Does the company have to be US-
> >> owned?
> >>
> >> Ok, that's more than one question.
> >>
> >> -Joe
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Re: CARS

Zeke Yewdall
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On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 7:55 AM, m gol <[hidden email]> wrote:

> no you can buy a foreign car, but you get less credit.


How do they define a foreighn car?  Most toyota's and Honda's are made in
the US nowadays.

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Re: CARS

K O
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I hope EVeryone who addressed this topic to the list ALSO CC'ed their congresspeople...MAybe we could push Senate to include the parameters to  American MADE EV COMPONENTS or make the rebates good for a period of 10 years or so so a US made EV might be available - or even a Fuel cell, hahaha  And could we add up several rebates for multiple cars??  In my neighb. they will be stealling clunkers and trading them in as well....
Remember, these days only 200 letters can change the vote of one senator!!!


I don't shop where I can't charge.



     
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Re: CARS

Roger Heuckeroth
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Don't know about that, but what happens when you try to register it  
and they say the VIN # is no good?

On Jun 10, 2009, at 10:18 AM, Douglas A. Stansfield wrote:

> Can an EV conversion business be classified as a "recycler"?
>
>
> Sincerely;
>
> Douglas A. Stansfield
> President
> www.TransAtlanticElectricConversions.com
>
> 973-875-6276 (office)
> 973-670-9208 (cell)
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]  
> On Behalf
> Of Roger Heuckeroth
> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:09 AM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] CARS
>
> Yes, the VIN numbers can never be reregistered.  The cars are sent to
> a "recycler".
>
> On Jun 10, 2009, at 10:01 AM, Douglas A. Stansfield wrote:
>
>> If this happens where are all the cars actually going to go?  The
>> route of
>> the EV1?  If someone trades in a car and gets the credit, can the
>> car ever
>> be resold again or does the car have to be totally removed from the
>> market?
>>
>>
>> Also, I wondered why it is so hard to find donors in NJ.........
>>
>>
>> Sincerely;
>>
>> Douglas A. Stansfield
>> President
>> www.TransAtlanticElectricConversions.com
>>
>> 973-875-6276 (office)
>> 973-670-9208 (cell)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]
>> On Behalf
>> Of m gol
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 9:55 AM
>> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [EVDL] CARS
>>
>> no you can buy a foreign car, but you get less credit.
>>
>> I think the bill passed the House today?
>>
>> Also, I was more concerned about not be able to find any donor
>> cars...if
>> this happens?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 4:48 AM, Joseph Bonaparte <
>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> "Cash for Clunkers" Bill
>>> $4500-$4800 trade
>>>
>>> My question is, "What is the lowest-priced car I can buy under this
>>> plan?"
>>> I know it has to be made in the US.  Does the company have to be US-
>>> owned?
>>>
>>> Ok, that's more than one question.
>>>
>>> -Joe
>>>
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Re: CARS

Douglas A. Stansfield
I guess I will have to research this further and try and make sure we can
recycle cars into EVs?  Seems a waste to see millions of cars getting sucked
into a crusher.

I am getting tired of the government trying to control everything.  It seems
like the Chinese have less government involvement than we do now in almost
every business.  I thought we had a "free market" economy?


Sincerely;

Douglas A. Stansfield
President
www.TransAtlanticElectricConversions.com

973-875-6276 (office)
973-670-9208 (cell)





-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf
Of Roger Heuckeroth
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 12:48 PM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] CARS

Don't know about that, but what happens when you try to register it  
and they say the VIN # is no good?

On Jun 10, 2009, at 10:18 AM, Douglas A. Stansfield wrote:

> Can an EV conversion business be classified as a "recycler"?
>
>
> Sincerely;
>
> Douglas A. Stansfield
> President
> www.TransAtlanticElectricConversions.com
>
> 973-875-6276 (office)
> 973-670-9208 (cell)
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]  
> On Behalf
> Of Roger Heuckeroth
> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:09 AM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] CARS
>
> Yes, the VIN numbers can never be reregistered.  The cars are sent to
> a "recycler".
>
> On Jun 10, 2009, at 10:01 AM, Douglas A. Stansfield wrote:
>
>> If this happens where are all the cars actually going to go?  The
>> route of
>> the EV1?  If someone trades in a car and gets the credit, can the
>> car ever
>> be resold again or does the car have to be totally removed from the
>> market?
>>
>>
>> Also, I wondered why it is so hard to find donors in NJ.........
>>
>>
>> Sincerely;
>>
>> Douglas A. Stansfield
>> President
>> www.TransAtlanticElectricConversions.com
>>
>> 973-875-6276 (office)
>> 973-670-9208 (cell)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]
>> On Behalf
>> Of m gol
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 9:55 AM
>> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [EVDL] CARS
>>
>> no you can buy a foreign car, but you get less credit.
>>
>> I think the bill passed the House today?
>>
>> Also, I was more concerned about not be able to find any donor
>> cars...if
>> this happens?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 4:48 AM, Joseph Bonaparte <
>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> "Cash for Clunkers" Bill
>>> $4500-$4800 trade
>>>
>>> My question is, "What is the lowest-priced car I can buy under this
>>> plan?"
>>> I know it has to be made in the US.  Does the company have to be US-
>>> owned?
>>>
>>> Ok, that's more than one question.
>>>
>>> -Joe
>>>
>>>
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Re: CARS

lcalarea47
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hi sounds alot better than what CA has now . if you own a car that will not
pass smog 1974 or newer ,state will buy for 1,000 , conditions apply . must
be complete no parts taken off  etc ,guess they automatically smash them .
program to get these smog polluters off road .  point is that program all
ready makes it hard to buy a ie cheap  auto to convert [less then a grand
anyhow ] ..my jeep/conversion  i got good price bought on ebay , a seller
who takes autos for charity , and auctions off .   thx for all the  info on
this new bill ... lonnie

On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 6:55 AM, m gol <[hidden email]> wrote:

> no you can buy a foreign car, but you get less credit.
>
> I think the bill passed the House today?
>
> Also, I was more concerned about not be able to find any donor cars...if
> this happens?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 4:48 AM, Joseph Bonaparte <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
>
> >  "Cash for Clunkers" Bill
> > $4500-$4800 trade
> >
> > My question is, "What is the lowest-priced car I can buy under this
> plan?"
> > I know it has to be made in the US.  Does the company have to be
> US-owned?
> >
> > Ok, that's more than one question.
> >
> > -Joe
> >
> >
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Re: CARS

Phil Marino-2
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>
>
> I am getting tired of the government trying to control everything.  It
> seems
> like the Chinese have less government involvement than we do now in almost
> every business.  I thought we had a "free market" economy?
>
>
> Sincerely;
>
> Douglas A. Stansfield
> President
> www.TransAtlanticElectricConversions.com



> <http://www.TransAtlanticElectricConversions.com>
> Doug - take this argument someplace else.  It doesn't help anyone build an
> ev and you're inviting a flame war.


Phil Marino

>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On
> Behalf
> Of Roger Heuckeroth
> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 12:48 PM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] CARS
>
> Don't know about that, but what happens when you try to register it
> and they say the VIN # is no good?
>
> On Jun 10, 2009, at 10:18 AM, Douglas A. Stansfield wrote:
>
> > Can an EV conversion business be classified as a "recycler"?
> >
> >
> > Sincerely;
> >
> > Douglas A. Stansfield
> > President
> > www.TransAtlanticElectricConversions.com
> >
> > 973-875-6276 (office)
> > 973-670-9208 (cell)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]
> > On Behalf
> > Of Roger Heuckeroth
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:09 AM
> > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] CARS
> >
> > Yes, the VIN numbers can never be reregistered.  The cars are sent to
> > a "recycler".
> >
> > On Jun 10, 2009, at 10:01 AM, Douglas A. Stansfield wrote:
> >
> >> If this happens where are all the cars actually going to go?  The
> >> route of
> >> the EV1?  If someone trades in a car and gets the credit, can the
> >> car ever
> >> be resold again or does the car have to be totally removed from the
> >> market?
> >>
> >>
> >> Also, I wondered why it is so hard to find donors in NJ.........
> >>
> >>
> >> Sincerely;
> >>
> >> Douglas A. Stansfield
> >> President
> >> www.TransAtlanticElectricConversions.com
> >>
> >> 973-875-6276 (office)
> >> 973-670-9208 (cell)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]
> >> On Behalf
> >> Of m gol
> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 9:55 AM
> >> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> >> Subject: Re: [EVDL] CARS
> >>
> >> no you can buy a foreign car, but you get less credit.
> >>
> >> I think the bill passed the House today?
> >>
> >> Also, I was more concerned about not be able to find any donor
> >> cars...if
> >> this happens?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 4:48 AM, Joseph Bonaparte <
> >> [hidden email]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> "Cash for Clunkers" Bill
> >>> $4500-$4800 trade
> >>>
> >>> My question is, "What is the lowest-priced car I can buy under this
> >>> plan?"
> >>> I know it has to be made in the US.  Does the company have to be US-
> >>> owned?
> >>>
> >>> Ok, that's more than one question.
> >>>
> >>> -Joe
> >>>
> >>>
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