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Electric cars: you can now find used deals for less than £7,000
5 Oct 2019  Miles Brignall

Electric cars charging on a London street  A used five-year-old electric car
such as this Nissan Leaf could be a smart buy. Photograph: Miles
Willis/Getty Images

Renault Zoe electric car  The Renault Zoe is a popular option – you can buy
a six-year-old model for about £6,500. Photograph: David Gee/Alamy

You can buy a five-year-old BMW i3 for about £13,000. Photograph: Miles
Willis/Getty Images

The Nissan leaf is available in several battery sizes. Photograph: Alamy

The Kia e-Niro car can be bought for about £33,000, but most people will
lease it. Photograph: Marco Destefanis/Alamy

 (hand-written sign in passenger rear side window reads: If
not us, who?  If not now, When?  drawn Earth image)  Vicky Wyer and her
Nissan Leaf electric car  Vicky Wyer says her Nissan Leaf electric car has
been a ‘revelation”. Photograph: Martin Godwin/The Guardian

Five-year-old vehicles are now great value and prices are rising as buyers
cotton on

If the two people behind a major website championing electric cars have both
done it, the rest of us should probably take note.

Whisper, so not too many people hear it, but used five-year-old electric
cars are arguably one of the best vehicle purchases you can make right now,
whatever your environmental credentials. It makes particular sense if you
are one of the millions of people who use their car most days.

Long considered way out of the price range of normal car buyers, good
quality electric cars that were launched a few years ago, are now hitting
the used market for less than £7,000.

Nissan Leafs, which cost £30,000 (after grants) eight years ago, can be
found for £5,700 with about 60,000 miles on the clock.

A Renault Zoe, with a leased battery and with fewer miles on the clock,
starts at about £6,500.

Even the more futuristic-looking and previously expensive BMW i3s, made from
recyclable parts, can be had for £13,000 for a five-year-old, low-mileage
model. Once purchased, these environmentally friendly cars cost a few pounds
a week to run – attractive at a time when petrol costs £1.30 a litre and
diesel averages £1.36.

Interestingly, used electric vehicle prices have, in recent months, started
rising – a near unheard-of thing in the used car market – as demand
outstrips supply. They are also increasingly being sold by a new group of
car dealers that have emerged only selling electric vehicles.

When Guardian Money last spoke to Melanie Shufflebotham, who runs both the
EV charging app Zap-Map and the Next Green Car website, she was running a
leased Leaf. However, it emerged this week that both she and her co-owner
Ben Lane have opted to buy used models in recent months.

“Until recently buyers of used EVs feared being left holding a worthless car
because the expensive battery had died,” she says. “Those fears have proved
largely unfounded and, eight years on from the introduction of the Leaf
here, we can say that the technology’s longevity has proven itself. Smart
buyers attracted by super-cheap running costs and the clear environmental
benefits are moving in.”

This is not an academic view – she has put her money where her mouth is and
now owns a 20,000-mile Leaf that she bought for £13,750 used.

“Mine is the 30kWh version that gives a real-life range of 110 miles. It is
three years old and performs faultlessly, and the battery is running at more
than 95% of its original capacity,” she says.

“I have the benefit of the remainder of the eight-year (or 100,000 miles)
warranty that will replace the battery if it falls below 75% capacity, but
I’m not expecting it to. My partner at Zap-Map, Ben, has also just bought a
used BMW i3.”

The reasonably priced used market, she says, is dominated by three cars: the
Leaf, the BMW and the Zoe. All have sold in volume and are proven.

In most cases buyers of the first two marques will own their battery. In the
case of the Zoe, you will own the car, but still have to lease the battery –
at £49 a month.

Shufflebotham says the booming interest in used electric cars has led to a
number of car dealers starting to specialise in used electric vehicles only.
The likes of We Are EV or JustEVs are not tied into one brand as traditional
dealers tend to be, but will sell all makes.

JustEVs, based in Hampshire, currently has 50 electric vehicles on its books
with the cheapest car at £6,995.

The firm’s Red Middleton says anyone wondering whether these cars were built
to last, should take a look at its own Leaf which has 187,000 miles on the

“It still manages 75 miles on a full charge, and drives really well. Buyers
have woken up to the fact that used EVs are now affordable for everyday
motorists, and there is huge demand out there for good used models. We are
very busy at the moment for this reason,” he says.

A key benefit for electric car buyers is that vehicle excise duty falls to
zero, saving £140 a year compared with the average car.

Annual servicing should also be cheaper – there’s no oil to change, no spark
plugs to keep an eye on, no gearbox and fewer moving parts.

But an EV typically costs a little more to insure than conventional models,
because they are more expensive to repair in the event of a crash. However,
LV=, which is trying to be the go-to insurer for electric cars, says the
Leaf now only costs £10 a year more on average to insure than a petrol
Nissan Micra.

Electric car buyers have complained of bigger hikes in the past, although
LV= says the difference in premiums should fall over the coming years as the
number of electric cars on the road increases, and the cost of repairs
continues to fall.

One of the problems for potential buyers is the almost bewildering array of
models, battery sizes and claimed ranges.
Charging electric cars on a street, Salford

The Leaf is typical in that originally it came with a 24kWh battery, which
was then upped to 30kWh. Later models came with a 40kWh battery. The bigger
the number, the higher the number of miles you’ll get per charge.

The early cars will typically manage 75 miles between plug-ins. The 30kWh
cars will manage more than 100 miles, while the newer used models promise

The general rule is the bigger the capacity, the higher the purchase price.
Buyers who drive 25 miles to work and back will be more than happy with the
lower-capacity models which are the cheapest to buy. If you need a bigger
range, you’ll need a bigger battery size.

A Zoe is considered the cheapest way to get a used electric car. Buyers have
to factor in the battery lease payments – typically £49-£59 a month – which
at least ensure you will always have a top-notch battery.

The cost of an overnight charge that delivers a typical 100 miles of driving
is about £3-£4 depending on your electricity tariff. A fast charge at a
motorway service area or other area typically costs a Leaf owner about £4-£6
depending on battery size. A £6 charge in a 40kWh car should deliver close
to 150 miles.

To go the same distance in a petrol car would typically cost £24 – more if
your journeys are all around congested towns.

The fact that there are zero exhaust emissions means you can jump in the car
to drive across town with a much clearer conscience.

What if you want a new car?
If you are in the market for a new electric car, Auto Express has rated the
Kia e-Niro as “pound for pound” the best electric car on sale.

Its testers had the 64kWh five-door model for more than 10,000 miles and
named the Kia e-Niro “a great family car that happens to be electric”. “It’s
better to drive than many petrol cars, is way cheaper to run and is a
fuss-free joy to live with. I absolutely love it,” was the testers’ final

Its testers found it would deliver a real-life range of 200-300 miles per
full charge depending on the weather – it was at the lower end in the
coldest months. When using Kia’s super-fast 100kW chargers, they said they
were able to add about 150 miles of range in 30 minutes of charging.

This car can be bought for about £33,000, but most people will want to lease
it. Deals vary but Lingscars, usually one of the cheapest around, will rent
you one for the short term of two years for an upfront payment of £1,770 and
23 further monthly payments of £590 a month. That allows the user to drive
10,000 miles a year.

For comparison, the more conventional Kia Niro hybrid estate can be leased
for four years at Lingscars for £278 a month with a first payment £834. But
you’ll have to factor in the fuel bills on top.

A basic Mondeo can be leased for almost the same prices – again over four
years. Note two-year deals tend to be pricier than traditional four-year

If the Kia doesn’t do it for you and you have set your heart on the Tesla
Model 3, a three-year personal lease will cost you £445 a month – but you
have to put down a hefty £4,000 upfront payment. You are restricted to 8,000
miles a year.

As you’d expect, the “affordable” Tesla has more wow factor than the Kia,
but it is not as practical. It should deliver a real world range of 180-200
miles between charges – less than the Kia.

Lingscars will also rent you an electric VW Golf for £230 a month for three
years with an upfront cost of £2,070. A top model that is on its way is the
Hyundai Kona Electric 64kWh. With a real-life range of 259 miles, What Car
said it was the best performing car it has tested so far. Leases on this
model are coming soon.

‘The car has more than managed all I have thrown at it’

Like most other people who have an electric car, Vicky Wyer says she could
never go back to a diesel car. The landscape designer, from Hitchin,
Hertfordshire, says she has “absolutely loved” her Nissan Leaf over the 18
months she has had it.

“I use it to drive the 45 minutes (30 miles) to work, three times a week and
easily get there and back on a full charge. I have the mid-sized (30kWh)
version that gives me a real world range of about 100 miles, and I have to
say, it has been a revelation.

“It’s nippy, reliable, super comfortable, and will carry four people easily.
The road tax is free and the savings on fuel are phenomenal. I used to drive
a Ford Mondeo diesel, so this is a much greener option, one that I have not
regretted for a moment.”

She has a 7kWh charger at home that will give her a decent charge in about
three hours, or a full charge overnight. The car was leased on a three-year
contract and she has the option to buy it at the end of the term.

She thinks she may be an unusual electric car user in that she has never had
to use a public charger, purely she says, because she can currently get
everywhere she needs to go on a full charge.

“The only downside I can think of is that the Leaf doesn’t have as big a
boot as my old Ford. I particularly love the heated steering wheel which
might sound odd but it has been great for me as as I suffer poor
circulation. I like the fact that Nissan gives you the option to hire a
petrol car for two weeks a year if you need to make a longer trip. I may use
that next year, but so far the Leaf has more than managed all I have thrown
at it,” she says.
[© theguardian.com]

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