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CHARLIEP

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Subject: Oil Shortage ??


            Before you read the story below, go to this NGS site first.

http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911

 




               The U. S.  Geological Service issued a report in April

        ('08) that only scientists  and oil men knew was coming, but man

        was it big.  It was a  revised report (hadn't been updated since

        '95) on how much oil was in  this area of the western 2/3 of

        North  Dakota;  western South Dakota ; and  extreme eastern

        Montana ..... check THIS out:

        The Bakken is the  largest domestic oil discovery since Alaska

        's Prudhoe Bay , and has  the potential to eliminate all

        American dependence on foreign oil. The  Energy Information

        Administration (EIA) estimates it at 503 billion  barrels.. Even

        if just 10% of the oil is recoverable.... at $107 a  barrel,

        we're looking at a resource base worth more than $5.3  trillion.

        'When I first briefed legislators on this, you could

         practically see their jaws hit the floor. They had no idea.'

        says  Terry Johnson, the Montana Legislature's financial  analyst.

        'This sizable find is now the highest-producing  onshore oil

        field found in the past 56 years.' reports, The Pittsburgh  Post

        Gazette.  It's a formation known as the Williston  Basin  , but

         is more commonly referred to as the 'Bakken.'  And it stretches

         from Northern Montana , through North Dakota and into Canada .

          For years, U. S. oil exploration has been considered a dead

        end.   Even the 'Big Oil' companies gave up searching for major

        oil  wells decades ago.  However, a recent technological

        breakthrough  has opened up the Bakken's massive reserves....

        and we now have access  of up to 500 billion barrels.  And

        because this is light, sweet  oil, those billions of barrels

        will cost Americans just $16 PER  BARREL!

        That's enough crude to fully fuel the American economy  for 41

        years straight.

        2. And if THAT didn't throw you on the  floor, then this next

        one should - because it's from TWO YEARS  AGO!

        U. S. Oil Discovery- Largest Reserve in the  World!

        Stansberry Report Online - 4/20/2006



        Hidden 1,000  feet beneath the surface of the Rocky Mountains

        lies the largest  untapped oil reserve in the world is more than

        2 TRILLION barrels.   On August 8, 2005 President Bush mandated

        its  extraction.

        They reported this stunning news:  We have  more oil inside our

        borders, than all the other proven reserves on  earth. Here are

        the official estimates:

        - 8-times as much oil  as Saudi Arabia

        - 18-times as much oil as Iraq

        - 21-times as  much oil as Kuwait

        - 22-times as much oil as Iran

        - 500-times as  much oil as Yemen

        - and it's all right here in the Western  United States .

        HOW can this BE? HOW can we NOT BE extracting  this?  Because

        the environmentalists and others have blocked all  efforts to

        help America become independent of foreign  oil!

        James Bartis, lead researcher with the study says we've  got

        more oil in this very compact area than the entire Middle East

         -more than 2 TRILLION barrels untapped.  That's more than all

        the  proven oil reserves of crude oil in the world today,

        reports The  Denver Post.

        Don't think 'OPEC' will drop its price - even with  this find?

         Think again!  It's all about the competitive  marketplace, - it

        has to.

          Got your  attention/ire up yet?  Hope so!  Now, while you're

        thinking  about it .... and hopefully P.O'd, do this:

        3. Pass this along.    If you don't take a little time to do

        this, then you should  stifle yourself the next time you want to

        complain about gas prices ..  because by doing NOTHING, you've

        forfeited your right to  complain.

        --------

        Now I just wonder what would happen in this  country if every

        one of you sent this to everyone in your address  book.



         GOOGLE it or click on this link.

        http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911






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Re: Fw: Oil Shortage ?? would someone smarter than me check this out??

evan foss
I some how doubt that will change the interest anyone on this list has
in building an electric car(s). No offense. That said considering our
current usage I also have to question the articals tone of 3 to 4.3
billion barrels being enought to have a long term impact economically.

On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:49 PM,  <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Larry Price
> To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:36 AM
> Subject: Fw: Oil Shortage ??
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Larry Price
> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:29 AM
> Subject: Fw: Oil Shortage ??
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:56 AM
> Subject: Oil Shortage ??
>
>
>            Before you read the story below, go to this NGS site first.
>
> http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911
>
>
>
>
>
>
>               The U. S.  Geological Service issued a report in April
>
>        ('08) that only scientists  and oil men knew was coming, but man
>
>        was it big.  It was a  revised report (hadn't been updated since
>
>        '95) on how much oil was in  this area of the western 2/3 of
>
>        North  Dakota;  western South Dakota ; and  extreme eastern
>
>        Montana ..... check THIS out:
>
>        The Bakken is the  largest domestic oil discovery since Alaska
>
>        's Prudhoe Bay , and has  the potential to eliminate all
>
>        American dependence on foreign oil. The  Energy Information
>
>        Administration (EIA) estimates it at 503 billion  barrels.. Even
>
>        if just 10% of the oil is recoverable.... at $107 a  barrel,
>
>        we're looking at a resource base worth more than $5.3  trillion.
>
>        'When I first briefed legislators on this, you could
>
>         practically see their jaws hit the floor. They had no idea.'
>
>        says  Terry Johnson, the Montana Legislature's financial  analyst.
>
>        'This sizable find is now the highest-producing  onshore oil
>
>        field found in the past 56 years.' reports, The Pittsburgh  Post
>
>        Gazette.  It's a formation known as the Williston  Basin  , but
>
>         is more commonly referred to as the 'Bakken.'  And it stretches
>
>         from Northern Montana , through North Dakota and into Canada .
>
>          For years, U. S. oil exploration has been considered a dead
>
>        end.   Even the 'Big Oil' companies gave up searching for major
>
>        oil  wells decades ago.  However, a recent technological
>
>        breakthrough  has opened up the Bakken's massive reserves....
>
>        and we now have access  of up to 500 billion barrels.  And
>
>        because this is light, sweet  oil, those billions of barrels
>
>        will cost Americans just $16 PER  BARREL!
>
>        That's enough crude to fully fuel the American economy  for 41
>
>        years straight.
>
>        2. And if THAT didn't throw you on the  floor, then this next
>
>        one should - because it's from TWO YEARS  AGO!
>
>        U. S. Oil Discovery- Largest Reserve in the  World!
>
>        Stansberry Report Online - 4/20/2006
>
>
>
>        Hidden 1,000  feet beneath the surface of the Rocky Mountains
>
>        lies the largest  untapped oil reserve in the world is more than
>
>        2 TRILLION barrels.   On August 8, 2005 President Bush mandated
>
>        its  extraction.
>
>        They reported this stunning news:  We have  more oil inside our
>
>        borders, than all the other proven reserves on  earth. Here are
>
>        the official estimates:
>
>        - 8-times as much oil  as Saudi Arabia
>
>        - 18-times as much oil as Iraq
>
>        - 21-times as  much oil as Kuwait
>
>        - 22-times as much oil as Iran
>
>        - 500-times as  much oil as Yemen
>
>        - and it's all right here in the Western  United States .
>
>        HOW can this BE? HOW can we NOT BE extracting  this?  Because
>
>        the environmentalists and others have blocked all  efforts to
>
>        help America become independent of foreign  oil!
>
>        James Bartis, lead researcher with the study says we've  got
>
>        more oil in this very compact area than the entire Middle East
>
>         -more than 2 TRILLION barrels untapped.  That's more than all
>
>        the  proven oil reserves of crude oil in the world today,
>
>        reports The  Denver Post.
>
>        Don't think 'OPEC' will drop its price - even with  this find?
>
>         Think again!  It's all about the competitive  marketplace, - it
>
>        has to.
>
>          Got your  attention/ire up yet?  Hope so!  Now, while you're
>
>        thinking  about it .... and hopefully P.O'd, do this:
>
>        3. Pass this along.    If you don't take a little time to do
>
>        this, then you should  stifle yourself the next time you want to
>
>        complain about gas prices ..  because by doing NOTHING, you've
>
>        forfeited your right to  complain.
>
>        --------
>
>        Now I just wonder what would happen in this  country if every
>
>        one of you sent this to everyone in your address  book.
>
>
>
>         GOOGLE it or click on this link.
>
>        http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Fw: Oil Shortage ?? would someone smarter than me check this out??

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Two things :

1. http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/bakken.asp (read it thoroughly)*

2. http://evdl.org/help/index.html#conv (see point 2-g)

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Re: Fw: Oil Shortage ?? would someone smarter than me check this out??

JamesMorrison
In reply to this post by CHARLIEP
The Bakken region does have a lot of oil. But it is in a rock formation that is very deep and very tight.
I have an investment in a company that is drilling there, so I am familiar with the issues.

There might be 500+ billion of oil in place. But only a small part is likely recoverable.

In a typical oil field (Texas, Saudi Arabia, etc) they can recover between 30% to 60% of the original oil in place, depending on the geology and the technology that is brought into play.

In the Bakken oil field they might only be able to recover 2% of the original oil in place. So it is a nice sized oil prospect, but it is expensive to drill there. It really doesn't make sense to drill at $50 per barrel. It was looking very good at $100+ per barrel because it made sense to used some advanced extraction technologies and more oil could be recovered.

But it is not going to change the world energy situation related to Peak Oil.



----- Original Message -----
From: Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:56 AM
Subject: Oil Shortage ??


            Before you read the story below, go to this NGS site first.

http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911

 


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Re: Fw: Oil Shortage ?? would someone smarter than me check this out??

njbrw549
In reply to this post by evan foss
"The Bakken is the  largest domestic oil discovery since Alaska's Prudhoe Bay"
As I recall, we never got away from foreign oil use with Prudhoe Bay oil, even at peak production.
There is enough carbon fuel available to burn to make earth uninhabitable for human life.

Bill


evan foss wrote:

> I some how doubt that will change the interest anyone on this list has
> in building an electric car(s). No offense. That said considering our
> current usage I also have to question the articals tone of 3 to 4.3
> billion barrels being enought to have a long term impact economically.
>
> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:49 PM,  <[hidden email]> wrote:
>  
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Larry Price
>> To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
>> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:36 AM
>> Subject: Fw: Oil Shortage ??
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Larry Price
>> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:29 AM
>> Subject: Fw: Oil Shortage ??
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:56 AM
>> Subject: Oil Shortage ??
>>
>>
>>            Before you read the story below, go to this NGS site first.
>>
>> http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>               The U. S.  Geological Service issued a report in April
>>
>>        ('08) that only scientists  and oil men knew was coming, but man
>>
>>        was it big.  It was a  revised report (hadn't been updated since
>>
>>        '95) on how much oil was in  this area of the western 2/3 of
>>
>>        North  Dakota;  western South Dakota ; and  extreme eastern
>>
>>        Montana ..... check THIS out:
>>
>>        The Bakken is the  largest domestic oil discovery since Alaska
>>
>>        's Prudhoe Bay , and has  the potential to eliminate all
>>
>>        American dependence on foreign oil. The  Energy Information
>>
>>        Administration (EIA) estimates it at 503 billion  barrels.. Even
>>
>>        if just 10% of the oil is recoverable.... at $107 a  barrel,
>>
>>        we're looking at a resource base worth more than $5.3  trillion.
>>
>>        'When I first briefed legislators on this, you could
>>
>>         practically see their jaws hit the floor. They had no idea.'
>>
>>        says  Terry Johnson, the Montana Legislature's financial  analyst.
>>
>>        'This sizable find is now the highest-producing  onshore oil
>>
>>        field found in the past 56 years.' reports, The Pittsburgh  Post
>>
>>        Gazette.  It's a formation known as the Williston  Basin  , but
>>
>>         is more commonly referred to as the 'Bakken.'  And it stretches
>>
>>         from Northern Montana , through North Dakota and into Canada .
>>
>>          For years, U. S. oil exploration has been considered a dead
>>
>>        end.   Even the 'Big Oil' companies gave up searching for major
>>
>>        oil  wells decades ago.  However, a recent technological
>>
>>        breakthrough  has opened up the Bakken's massive reserves....
>>
>>        and we now have access  of up to 500 billion barrels.  And
>>
>>        because this is light, sweet  oil, those billions of barrels
>>
>>        will cost Americans just $16 PER  BARREL!
>>
>>        That's enough crude to fully fuel the American economy  for 41
>>
>>        years straight.
>>
>>        2. And if THAT didn't throw you on the  floor, then this next
>>
>>        one should - because it's from TWO YEARS  AGO!
>>
>>        U. S. Oil Discovery- Largest Reserve in the  World!
>>
>>        Stansberry Report Online - 4/20/2006
>>
>>
>>
>>        Hidden 1,000  feet beneath the surface of the Rocky Mountains
>>
>>        lies the largest  untapped oil reserve in the world is more than
>>
>>        2 TRILLION barrels.   On August 8, 2005 President Bush mandated
>>
>>        its  extraction.
>>
>>        They reported this stunning news:  We have  more oil inside our
>>
>>        borders, than all the other proven reserves on  earth. Here are
>>
>>        the official estimates:
>>
>>        - 8-times as much oil  as Saudi Arabia
>>
>>        - 18-times as much oil as Iraq
>>
>>        - 21-times as  much oil as Kuwait
>>
>>        - 22-times as much oil as Iran
>>
>>        - 500-times as  much oil as Yemen
>>
>>        - and it's all right here in the Western  United States .
>>
>>        HOW can this BE? HOW can we NOT BE extracting  this?  Because
>>
>>        the environmentalists and others have blocked all  efforts to
>>
>>        help America become independent of foreign  oil!
>>
>>        James Bartis, lead researcher with the study says we've  got
>>
>>        more oil in this very compact area than the entire Middle East
>>
>>         -more than 2 TRILLION barrels untapped.  That's more than all
>>
>>        the  proven oil reserves of crude oil in the world today,
>>
>>        reports The  Denver Post.
>>
>>        Don't think 'OPEC' will drop its price - even with  this find?
>>
>>         Think again!  It's all about the competitive  marketplace, - it
>>
>>        has to.
>>
>>          Got your  attention/ire up yet?  Hope so!  Now, while you're
>>
>>        thinking  about it .... and hopefully P.O'd, do this:
>>
>>        3. Pass this along.    If you don't take a little time to do
>>
>>        this, then you should  stifle yourself the next time you want to
>>
>>        complain about gas prices ..  because by doing NOTHING, you've
>>
>>        forfeited your right to  complain.
>>
>>        --------
>>
>>        Now I just wonder what would happen in this  country if every
>>
>>        one of you sent this to everyone in your address  book.
>>
>>
>>
>>         GOOGLE it or click on this link.
>>
>>        http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Fw: Oil Shortage ?? would someone smarter than me check this out??

Roger Heuckeroth
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On May 8, 2009, at 12:05 AM, evan foss wrote:

> I some how doubt that will change the interest anyone on this list has
> in building an electric car(s). No offense. That said considering our
> current usage I also have to question the articals tone of 3 to 4.3
> billion barrels being enought to have a long term impact economically.
>

Exactly.  Besides that is not eve a years worth of consumption for the  
US.  We have to get off oil completely.

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Bob Rice-2

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From: "Roger Heuckeroth" <[hidden email]>
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Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 7:25 AM
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checkthis out??


>
> On May 8, 2009, at 12:05 AM, evan foss wrote:
>
>> I some how doubt that will change the interest anyone on this list has
>> in building an electric car(s). No offense. That said considering our
>> current usage I also have to question the articals tone of 3 to 4.3
>> billion barrels being enought to have a long term impact economically.
>>
>
> Exactly.  Besides that is not eve a years worth of consumption for the
> US.  We have to get off oil completely.
>
   EXACTLY! IF the Great Lakes were FULL of Oil,and they were GIVING it
away, it's the crapping up of the ONLY air we have left!?Oil  is too
valuable for OTHER stuff; plastics, chemicals, paints and lottsa other
useful stuff.  We'll have to use oil for awile, to get OFF oil, anyhow? For
fuel for the stuff to build the Bullet Train routes. The Tracters, etc, that
will move a bit of Earth to carve out arrow streight roadbeds to let our new
Electric Trains to do their stuff, even to paint them up pretty?Oil to make
the tires for our EV's, EVen?

   Seeya

   Bob

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Re: Fw: Oil Shortage ?? Very OT

joe-22
We won't EVER get off oil completely - but we don't have to burn the stuff
for normal transportation, as Bob points out! This report, as some have
already pointed out, is a bit questionable at best; however, don't take
snopes.com 's word for it. They are a husband/wife team that is more opinion
(extremely liberal) than fact sometimes.

The big problem is the oil industry and the enviro-wacko's, in my opinion.
The enviromentalists for stupid regulations and hysterical screeching, the
oil industry for trying to control the price by not drilling or developing
our own fields, funding terrorism in the process.

David, I'm done!

Joseph H. Strubhar

Web: www.gremcoinc.com

E-mail: [hidden email]


----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 5:10 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Fw: Oil Shortage ?? would someone smarter than
mecheckthis out??


>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roger Heuckeroth" <[hidden email]>
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 7:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Fw: Oil Shortage ?? would someone smarter than me
> checkthis out??
>
>
>>
>> On May 8, 2009, at 12:05 AM, evan foss wrote:
>>
>>> I some how doubt that will change the interest anyone on this list has
>>> in building an electric car(s). No offense. That said considering our
>>> current usage I also have to question the articals tone of 3 to 4.3
>>> billion barrels being enought to have a long term impact economically.
>>>
>>
>> Exactly.  Besides that is not eve a years worth of consumption for the
>> US.  We have to get off oil completely.
>>
>   EXACTLY! IF the Great Lakes were FULL of Oil,and they were GIVING it
> away, it's the crapping up of the ONLY air we have left!?Oil  is too
> valuable for OTHER stuff; plastics, chemicals, paints and lottsa other
> useful stuff.  We'll have to use oil for awile, to get OFF oil, anyhow?
> For
> fuel for the stuff to build the Bullet Train routes. The Tracters, etc,
> that
> will move a bit of Earth to carve out arrow streight roadbeds to let our
> new
> Electric Trains to do their stuff, even to paint them up pretty?Oil to
> make
> the tires for our EV's, EVen?
>
>   Seeya
>
>   Bob
>
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Re: Fw: Oil Shortage ?? Very OT

John Garbarini

The Rockefeller/Bush/Clinton/Obama thugs control it; it's a myth. Oil is a natural lubricant found in the earth, to cushion the spaces between the large techtonic plates. If you drill down 7 miles (as the Russians have done), you'll find oil. Even in your own back yard. There's no shortage.
Excuse my rant.

--- On Fri, 5/8/09, joe <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: joe <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Fw: Oil Shortage ?? Very OT
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[hidden email]>
> Date: Friday, May 8, 2009, 8:57 AM
> We won't EVER get off oil completely
> - but we don't have to burn the stuff
> for normal transportation, as Bob points out! This report,
> as some have
> already pointed out, is a bit questionable at best;
> however, don't take
> snopes.com 's word for it. They are a husband/wife team
> that is more opinion
> (extremely liberal) than fact sometimes.
>
> The big problem is the oil industry and the enviro-wacko's,
> in my opinion.
> The enviromentalists for stupid regulations and hysterical
> screeching, the
> oil industry for trying to control the price by not
> drilling or developing
> our own fields, funding terrorism in the process.
>
> David, I'm done!
>
> Joseph H. Strubhar
>
> Web: www.gremcoinc.com
>
> E-mail: [hidden email]
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Rice" <[hidden email]>
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 5:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Fw: Oil Shortage ?? would someone
> smarter than
> mecheckthis out??
>
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roger Heuckeroth" <[hidden email]>
> > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[hidden email]>
> > Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 7:25 AM
> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Fw: Oil Shortage ?? would someone
> smarter than me
> > checkthis out??
> >
> >
> >>
> >> On May 8, 2009, at 12:05 AM, evan foss wrote:
> >>
> >>> I some how doubt that will change the interest
> anyone on this list has
> >>> in building an electric car(s). No offense.
> That said considering our
> >>> current usage I also have to question the
> articals tone of 3 to 4.3
> >>> billion barrels being enought to have a long
> term impact economically.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Exactly.  Besides that is not eve a years
> worth of consumption for the
> >> US.  We have to get off oil completely.
> >>
> >   EXACTLY! IF the Great Lakes were FULL
> of Oil,and they were GIVING it
> > away, it's the crapping up of the ONLY air we have
> left!?Oil  is too
> > valuable for OTHER stuff; plastics, chemicals, paints
> and lottsa other
> > useful stuff.  We'll have to use oil for awile,
> to get OFF oil, anyhow?
> > For
> > fuel for the stuff to build the Bullet Train routes.
> The Tracters, etc,
> > that
> > will move a bit of Earth to carve out arrow streight
> roadbeds to let our
> > new
> > Electric Trains to do their stuff, even to paint them
> up pretty?Oil to
> > make
> > the tires for our EV's, EVen?
> >
> >   Seeya
> >
> >   Bob
> >
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Re: Fw: Oil Shortage ?? Very OT

Ben-149
Can we please let this off topic rubbish die off? Sick and tired of
it, it has NOTHING to do with building / operating EVs. Wrong soap
box, please take your preaching elsewhere (everyone involved - not
playing favorites).

On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 10:02 AM, John Garbarini <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> The Rockefeller/Bush/Clinton/Obama thugs control it; it's a myth. Oil is a natural lubricant found in the earth, to cushion the spaces between the large techtonic plates. If you drill down 7 miles (as the Russians have done), you'll find oil. Even in your own back yard. There's no shortage.
> Excuse my rant.
>
> --- On Fri, 5/8/09, joe <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> From: joe <[hidden email]>
>> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Fw: Oil Shortage ?? Very OT
>> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[hidden email]>
>> Date: Friday, May 8, 2009, 8:57 AM
>> We won't EVER get off oil completely
>> - but we don't have to burn the stuff
>> for normal transportation, as Bob points out! This report,
>> as some have
>> already pointed out, is a bit questionable at best;
>> however, don't take
>> snopes.com 's word for it. They are a husband/wife team
>> that is more opinion
>> (extremely liberal) than fact sometimes.
>>
>> The big problem is the oil industry and the enviro-wacko's,
>> in my opinion.
>> The enviromentalists for stupid regulations and hysterical
>> screeching, the
>> oil industry for trying to control the price by not
>> drilling or developing
>> our own fields, funding terrorism in the process.
>>
>> David, I'm done!
>>
>> Joseph H. Strubhar
>>
>> Web: www.gremcoinc.com
>>
>> E-mail: [hidden email]
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bob Rice" <[hidden email]>
>> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 5:10 AM
>> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Fw: Oil Shortage ?? would someone
>> smarter than
>> mecheckthis out??
>>
>>
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Roger Heuckeroth" <[hidden email]>
>> > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[hidden email]>
>> > Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 7:25 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Fw: Oil Shortage ?? would someone
>> smarter than me
>> > checkthis out??
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> On May 8, 2009, at 12:05 AM, evan foss wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I some how doubt that will change the interest
>> anyone on this list has
>> >>> in building an electric car(s). No offense.
>> That said considering our
>> >>> current usage I also have to question the
>> articals tone of 3 to 4.3
>> >>> billion barrels being enought to have a long
>> term impact economically.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Exactly.  Besides that is not eve a years
>> worth of consumption for the
>> >> US.  We have to get off oil completely.
>> >>
>> >   EXACTLY! IF the Great Lakes were FULL
>> of Oil,and they were GIVING it
>> > away, it's the crapping up of the ONLY air we have
>> left!?Oil  is too
>> > valuable for OTHER stuff; plastics, chemicals, paints
>> and lottsa other
>> > useful stuff.  We'll have to use oil for awile,
>> to get OFF oil, anyhow?
>> > For
>> > fuel for the stuff to build the Bullet Train routes.
>> The Tracters, etc,
>> > that
>> > will move a bit of Earth to carve out arrow streight
>> roadbeds to let our
>> > new
>> > Electric Trains to do their stuff, even to paint them
>> up pretty?Oil to
>> > make
>> > the tires for our EV's, EVen?
>> >
>> >   Seeya
>> >
>> >   Bob
>> >
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Re: Fw: Oil Shortage ?? would someone smarter than me checkthis out??

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On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 8:10 AM, Bob Rice <[hidden email]> wrote:
...
...
>> Exactly.  Besides that is not eve a years worth of consumption for the
>> US.  We have to get off oil completely.
>>
>   EXACTLY! IF the Great Lakes were FULL of Oil,and they were GIVING it
> away, it's the crapping up of the ONLY air we have left!?Oil  is too
> valuable for OTHER stuff; plastics, chemicals, paints and lottsa other
> useful stuff.  We'll have to use oil for awile, to get OFF oil, anyhow? For

You forgot farming. Modern agrobusiness like it or not uses petrolium
for making everything from pesisides to fertilizer.

> fuel for the stuff to build the Bullet Train routes. The Tracters, etc, that
> will move a bit of Earth to carve out arrow streight roadbeds to let our new
> Electric Trains to do their stuff, even to paint them up pretty?Oil to make

If we could grow plants with out using oil for everything we could use
soy based paint or something similar.

> the tires for our EV's, EVen?

We could always go back to using rubber from latex trees. It might not
be as resiliant as what we have now but atleast it will decompose.

>   Seeya
>
>   Bob

Evan

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Re: Fw: Oil Shortage ?? Very OT

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On 8 May 2009 at 5:57, someone wrote:

> The big problem is the oil industry and the enviro-wacko's, in my
> opinion. The enviromentalists for stupid regulations and hysterical
> screeching, the oil industry for trying to control the price by not
> drilling or developing our own fields, funding terrorism in the process.

Folks,

This is flame bait, and off topic to boot.  

Please do not respond.  Let's drop this thread NOW, please.

If you want to discuss this with the person who posted it, please do so OFF
LIST.

Thanks,

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