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[ref
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/What-is-CCS-v-tp4697684p4697745.html
George Mullineaux via EV wrote: My wife hauls farm supplies with her vehicle
and will many times coordinate a trip to the grocery store at the same time.
With the rear seats folded away, I have seen her completely fill her
Silhouette van from front to rear.
]

As Lee said, you could convert an ice(fuel) truck or van.
The evalbum site has many examples to learn and draw from. See:

http://www.evalbum.com/type/TRCK

https://www.google.com/search?q=site:evalbum.com+truck

http://www.evalbum.com/type/VANS

https://www.google.com/search?q=site:evalbum.com+van

https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aevalbum.com+ute

 the are also EV conversion kits and EV converters that will sell EV
conversion components/parts,
(1 example of many sources
https://canev.com/product/s10-kit/
), or have them to do the conversion work (which what I did).
 (Back in the 1990s I didn't have a garage to do the work in nor the time.
So, I threw money at an EV converter company to make my Chevy S-10
Blazer EV -retired/defunct-
http://brucedp.tripod.com/blazer/

https://www.google.com/search?q=electric+s-10+blazer
)


https://www.google.com/search?q=electric+truck+conversion+kit
 searches for conversion kits
https://www.google.com/search?q=electric+van+conversion+kit

Or as we've read
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-1-732-2020-Changli-Nemeca-Cheapest-60V-cn-nEV-ts-32kph-v-tp4697647.html
 some people are bold enough to take a chance on a very cheap Asian made
nEV(35mph).

Most of the links below lead to nEVs, but that site does mix ice with EVs.

import search:
https://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?fsb=y&IndexArea=product_en&CatId=&SearchText=electric+farm+pickup+truck&viewtype=&tab=

https://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?fsb=y&IndexArea=product_en&CatId=&SearchText=electric+cargo&viewtype=&tab=

import nEVs:
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Four-Doors-Electric-Mini-Pickup-for_60738032927.html?spm=a2700.details.deiletai6.3.59315a09eelD23

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/EEC-approval-tuk-tuk-electric-cargo_62110541235.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.0.0.117b6e35sDivit

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/MINI-electric-off-road-pickup-truck_60609959280.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.0.0.7f7c6882WROKjj

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Electric-Mini-Pickup-Truck-for-Farm_60450984775.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.0.0.4efd1e31kFLwvg

 import very-cheap
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/closed-driver-cabin-1200w-60V-electric_62539865253.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.0.0.448d7283XvHB00




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https://mail-archive.com/ev@.../maillist.html


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I am working on a small van with a few other guys.  We were talking about
kits but not sure yet, maybe only turn-key.  It is made in the USA,
high-power NEV/LSEV with 60 cu ft/1500 lb capacity.  Multiple battery and
drive options.  Attempting under $20K before incentives.  Prototype roller
is complete, test driving this summer.

Gary

On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 6:48 PM evln via EV <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
> [ref
>
> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/What-is-CCS-v-tp4697684p4697745.html
> George Mullineaux via EV wrote: My wife hauls farm supplies with her
> vehicle
> and will many times coordinate a trip to the grocery store at the same
> time.
> With the rear seats folded away, I have seen her completely fill her
> Silhouette van from front to rear.
> ]
>
> As Lee said, you could convert an ice(fuel) truck or van.
> The evalbum site has many examples to learn and draw from. See:
>
> http://www.evalbum.com/type/TRCK
>
> https://www.google.com/search?q=site:evalbum.com+truck
>
> http://www.evalbum.com/type/VANS
>
> https://www.google.com/search?q=site:evalbum.com+van
>
> https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aevalbum.com+ute
>
>  the are also EV conversion kits and EV converters that will sell EV
> conversion components/parts,
> (1 example of many sources
> https://canev.com/product/s10-kit/
> ), or have them to do the conversion work (which what I did).
>  (Back in the 1990s I didn't have a garage to do the work in nor the time.
> So, I threw money at an EV converter company to make my Chevy S-10
> Blazer EV -retired/defunct-
> http://brucedp.tripod.com/blazer/
>
> https://www.google.com/search?q=electric+s-10+blazer
> )
>
>
> https://www.google.com/search?q=electric+truck+conversion+kit
>  searches for conversion kits
> https://www.google.com/search?q=electric+van+conversion+kit
>
> Or as we've read
>
> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-1-732-2020-Changli-Nemeca-Cheapest-60V-cn-nEV-ts-32kph-v-tp4697647.html
>  some people are bold enough to take a chance on a very cheap Asian made
> nEV(35mph).
>
> Most of the links below lead to nEVs, but that site does mix ice with EVs.
>
> import search:
>
> https://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?fsb=y&IndexArea=product_en&CatId=&SearchText=electric+farm+pickup+truck&viewtype=&tab=
>
>
> https://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?fsb=y&IndexArea=product_en&CatId=&SearchText=electric+cargo&viewtype=&tab=
>
> import nEVs:
>
> https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Four-Doors-Electric-Mini-Pickup-for_60738032927.html?spm=a2700.details.deiletai6.3.59315a09eelD23
>
>
> https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/EEC-approval-tuk-tuk-electric-cargo_62110541235.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.0.0.117b6e35sDivit
>
>
> https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/MINI-electric-off-road-pickup-truck_60609959280.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.0.0.7f7c6882WROKjj
>
>
> https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Electric-Mini-Pickup-Truck-for-Farm_60450984775.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.0.0.4efd1e31kFLwvg
>
>  import very-cheap
>
> https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/closed-driver-cabin-1200w-60V-electric_62539865253.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.0.0.448d7283XvHB00
>
>
>
>
> For EVLN EV-newswire posts view:
>  http://www.evdl.org/archive/
> https://mail-archive.com/ev@.../maillist.html
>
>
> {brucedp.neocities.org}
>
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Gary, it sounds interesting. Do you have any details to share ?
Peri

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To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[hidden email]>
Cc: "Gary Krysztopik" <[hidden email]>
Sent: 15-Jun-20 11:35:45 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] George's farm truck/van EV project

>I am working on a small van with a few other guys.  We were talking about
>kits but not sure yet, maybe only turn-key.  It is made in the USA,
>high-power NEV/LSEV with 60 cu ft/1500 lb capacity.  Multiple battery and
>drive options.  Attempting under $20K before incentives.  Prototype roller
>is complete, test driving this summer.
>
>Gary
>
>On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 6:48 PM evln via EV <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>  [ref
>>
>>http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/What-is-CCS-v-tp4697684p4697745.html
>>  George Mullineaux via EV wrote: My wife hauls farm supplies with her
>>  vehicle
>>  and will many times coordinate a trip to the grocery store at the same
>>  time.
>>  With the rear seats folded away, I have seen her completely fill her
>>  Silhouette van from front to rear.
>>  ]
>>
>>  As Lee said, you could convert an ice(fuel) truck or van.
>>  The evalbum site has many examples to learn and draw from. See:
>>
>>http://www.evalbum.com/type/TRCK
>>
>>https://www.google.com/search?q=site:evalbum.com+truck
>>
>>http://www.evalbum.com/type/VANS
>>
>>https://www.google.com/search?q=site:evalbum.com+van
>>
>>https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aevalbum.com+ute
>>
>>   the are also EV conversion kits and EV converters that will sell EV
>>  conversion components/parts,
>>  (1 example of many sources
>>https://canev.com/product/s10-kit/
>>  ), or have them to do the conversion work (which what I did).
>>   (Back in the 1990s I didn't have a garage to do the work in nor the time.
>>  So, I threw money at an EV converter company to make my Chevy S-10
>>  Blazer EV -retired/defunct-
>>http://brucedp.tripod.com/blazer/
>>
>>https://www.google.com/search?q=electric+s-10+blazer
>>  )
>>
>>
>>https://www.google.com/search?q=electric+truck+conversion+kit
>>   searches for conversion kits
>>https://www.google.com/search?q=electric+van+conversion+kit
>>
>>  Or as we've read
>>
>>http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-1-732-2020-Changli-Nemeca-Cheapest-60V-cn-nEV-ts-32kph-v-tp4697647.html
>>   some people are bold enough to take a chance on a very cheap Asian made
>>  nEV(35mph).
>>
>>  Most of the links below lead to nEVs, but that site does mix ice with EVs.
>>
>>  import search:
>>
>>https://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?fsb=y&IndexArea=product_en&CatId=&SearchText=electric+farm+pickup+truck&viewtype=&tab=
>>
>>
>>https://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?fsb=y&IndexArea=product_en&CatId=&SearchText=electric+cargo&viewtype=&tab=
>>
>>  import nEVs:
>>
>>https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Four-Doors-Electric-Mini-Pickup-for_60738032927.html?spm=a2700.details.deiletai6.3.59315a09eelD23
>>
>>
>>https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/EEC-approval-tuk-tuk-electric-cargo_62110541235.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.0.0.117b6e35sDivit
>>
>>
>>https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/MINI-electric-off-road-pickup-truck_60609959280.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.0.0.7f7c6882WROKjj
>>
>>
>>https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Electric-Mini-Pickup-Truck-for-Farm_60450984775.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.0.0.4efd1e31kFLwvg
>>
>>   import very-cheap
>>
>>https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/closed-driver-cabin-1200w-60V-electric_62539865253.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.0.0.448d7283XvHB00
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  For EVLN EV-newswire posts view:
>>http://www.evdl.org/archive/
>>https://mail-archive.com/ev@.../maillist.html
>>
>>
>>  {brucedp.neocities.org}
>>
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I can't share all details because it is not my design but I can try to
answer questions.  It's a simple welded steel box frame with a straight
axle in the rear and double wishbone front end with disc brakes and manual
steering on the base model.  We are looking at two drive systems, both AC
with regen up to 65 HP.  That's a lot for an NEV but the typical 5-15 HP is
a tough sell in the U.S. and off road use is another market so we wanted
options for bigger motors.  The battery area is big, so there should be
plenty of room for expansion.  We have some Tesla/Smart car modules that
are available so I will use those for the prototype.  I will share some
pictures when I get permission but right now it's a bare frame with two
seats.  Waiting on axle/drive system delivery (two different systems will
be tested) but the brakes, steering and suspension are almost complete.
The body will be simple metal panels with flexible configuration, doors
with power windows, track 58" x 120" wheelbase, cargo area 44" x 40" x
80".  Pickup truck or van, 1500lbs empty with 1500 lbs load.  As far as
styling, I hope the Cyber truck made straight lines sexy again because this
is a simple utility vehicle.

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 7:47 AM Peri Hartman via EV <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Gary, it sounds interesting. Do you have any details to share ?
> Peri
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Gary Krysztopik via EV" <[hidden email]>
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[hidden email]>
> Cc: "Gary Krysztopik" <[hidden email]>
> Sent: 15-Jun-20 11:35:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] George's farm truck/van EV project
>
> >I am working on a small van with a few other guys.  We were talking about
> >kits but not sure yet, maybe only turn-key.  It is made in the USA,
> >high-power NEV/LSEV with 60 cu ft/1500 lb capacity.  Multiple battery and
> >drive options.  Attempting under $20K before incentives.  Prototype roller
> >is complete, test driving this summer.
> >
> >Gary
> >
> >On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 6:48 PM evln via EV <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>  [ref
> >>
> >>
> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/What-is-CCS-v-tp4697684p4697745.html
> >>  George Mullineaux via EV wrote: My wife hauls farm supplies with her
> >>  vehicle
> >>  and will many times coordinate a trip to the grocery store at the same
> >>  time.
> >>  With the rear seats folded away, I have seen her completely fill her
> >>  Silhouette van from front to rear.
> >>  ]
> >>
> >>  As Lee said, you could convert an ice(fuel) truck or van.
> >>  The evalbum site has many examples to learn and draw from. See:
> >>
> >>http://www.evalbum.com/type/TRCK
> >>
> >>https://www.google.com/search?q=site:evalbum.com+truck
> >>
> >>http://www.evalbum.com/type/VANS
> >>
> >>https://www.google.com/search?q=site:evalbum.com+van
> >>
> >>https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aevalbum.com+ute
> >>
> >>   the are also EV conversion kits and EV converters that will sell EV
> >>  conversion components/parts,
> >>  (1 example of many sources
> >>https://canev.com/product/s10-kit/
> >>  ), or have them to do the conversion work (which what I did).
> >>   (Back in the 1990s I didn't have a garage to do the work in nor the
> time.
> >>  So, I threw money at an EV converter company to make my Chevy S-10
> >>  Blazer EV -retired/defunct-
> >>http://brucedp.tripod.com/blazer/
> >>
> >>https://www.google.com/search?q=electric+s-10+blazer
> >>  )
> >>
> >>
> >>https://www.google.com/search?q=electric+truck+conversion+kit
> >>   searches for conversion kits
> >>https://www.google.com/search?q=electric+van+conversion+kit
> >>
> >>  Or as we've read
> >>
> >>
> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-1-732-2020-Changli-Nemeca-Cheapest-60V-cn-nEV-ts-32kph-v-tp4697647.html
> >>   some people are bold enough to take a chance on a very cheap Asian
> made
> >>  nEV(35mph).
> >>
> >>  Most of the links below lead to nEVs, but that site does mix ice with
> EVs.
> >>
> >>  import search:
> >>
> >>
> https://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?fsb=y&IndexArea=product_en&CatId=&SearchText=electric+farm+pickup+truck&viewtype=&tab=
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?fsb=y&IndexArea=product_en&CatId=&SearchText=electric+cargo&viewtype=&tab=
> >>
> >>  import nEVs:
> >>
> >>
> https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Four-Doors-Electric-Mini-Pickup-for_60738032927.html?spm=a2700.details.deiletai6.3.59315a09eelD23
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/EEC-approval-tuk-tuk-electric-cargo_62110541235.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.0.0.117b6e35sDivit
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/MINI-electric-off-road-pickup-truck_60609959280.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.0.0.7f7c6882WROKjj
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Electric-Mini-Pickup-Truck-for-Farm_60450984775.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.0.0.4efd1e31kFLwvg
> >>
> >>   import very-cheap
> >>
> >>
> https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/closed-driver-cabin-1200w-60V-electric_62539865253.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.0.0.448d7283XvHB00
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>  For EVLN EV-newswire posts view:
> >>http://www.evdl.org/archive/
> >>https://mail-archive.com/ev@.../maillist.html
> >>
> >>
> >>  {brucedp.neocities.org}
> >>
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Gary Krysztopik via EV wrote:
> I am working on a small van with a few other guys.  We were talking about
> kits but not sure yet, maybe only turn-key.  It is made in the USA,
> high-power NEV/LSEV with 60 cu ft/1500 lb capacity.  Multiple battery and
> drive options.  Attempting under $20K before incentives.  Prototype roller
> is complete, test driving this summer.

Hi Gary,

Sounds like a good project. What size van?

Note that if it's classified as NEV/LSEV, there will be states where it
can't be used. Last I knew, my own state of MN specifically bans
"NEV/LSEV conversions and home built vehicles.".

A project I'm thinking of is a hybrid conversion of a pickup or van with
read wheel drive. Add the electric motor to the drive shaft. Use a motor
and controller that allows regen. This could add EV short range and low
speed capability to the typical gas-hog American pickups.

Lee Hart
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Lee - " track 58" x 120" wheelbase, cargo area 44" x 40" x 80".  Pickup
truck or van, 1500lbs empty with 1500 lbs load."

I would say we need to change some laws instead of trying to conform to
something that doesn't makes sense.

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> Gary Krysztopik via EV wrote:
> > I am working on a small van with a few other guys.  We were talking about
> > kits but not sure yet, maybe only turn-key.  It is made in the USA,
> > high-power NEV/LSEV with 60 cu ft/1500 lb capacity.  Multiple battery and
> > drive options.  Attempting under $20K before incentives.  Prototype
> roller
> > is complete, test driving this summer.
>
> Hi Gary,
>
> Sounds like a good project. What size van?
>
> Note that if it's classified as NEV/LSEV, there will be states where it
> can't be used. Last I knew, my own state of MN specifically bans
> "NEV/LSEV conversions and home built vehicles.".
>
> A project I'm thinking of is a hybrid conversion of a pickup or van with
> read wheel drive. Add the electric motor to the drive shaft. Use a motor
> and controller that allows regen. This could add EV short range and low
> speed capability to the typical gas-hog American pickups.
>
> Lee Hart
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Is it too late to change your design a bit ? If you can get one of the
dimensions 48" or more, then it is more useful in construction, for
hauling plywood, drywall, and other sheet items.

Peri

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>Lee - " track 58" x 120" wheelbase, cargo area 44" x 40" x 80".  Pickup
>truck or van, 1500lbs empty with 1500 lbs load."
>
>I would say we need to change some laws instead of trying to conform to
>something that doesn't makes sense.
>
>On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 10:31 AM Lee Hart via EV <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>>  Gary Krysztopik via EV wrote:
>>  > I am working on a small van with a few other guys.  We were talking about
>>  > kits but not sure yet, maybe only turn-key.  It is made in the USA,
>>  > high-power NEV/LSEV with 60 cu ft/1500 lb capacity.  Multiple battery and
>>  > drive options.  Attempting under $20K before incentives.  Prototype
>>  roller
>>  > is complete, test driving this summer.
>>
>>  Hi Gary,
>>
>>  Sounds like a good project. What size van?
>>
>>  Note that if it's classified as NEV/LSEV, there will be states where it
>>  can't be used. Last I knew, my own state of MN specifically bans
>>  "NEV/LSEV conversions and home built vehicles.".
>>
>>  A project I'm thinking of is a hybrid conversion of a pickup or van with
>>  read wheel drive. Add the electric motor to the drive shaft. Use a motor
>>  and controller that allows regen. This could add EV short range and low
>>  speed capability to the typical gas-hog American pickups.
>>
>>  Lee Hart
>>  --
>>  If happiness is on your mind, here's a daily list to find:
>>    - something to do
>>    - something to look forward to
>>    - someone to love
>>    - someone to take good care of
>>    - and misbehave, just a little
>>    --
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On 6/16/20 3:12 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
> Is it too late to change your design a bit ? If you can get one of the
> dimensions 48" or more, then it is more useful in construction, for
> hauling plywood, drywall, and other sheet items.

Perhaps they've made provision for loading 4'x8' sheets
tilted/diagonally?  Or, hanging over the edge.

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I agree on the width.  Never too late.  A flatbed version would be easy and
increasing the height would be easy (I already proposed that) but he sized
it for standard size sheet skins.  The width is narrow because the designer
went with outside wheels instead of having wheel wells so that the cargo
area is a clean rectangular shape.  We just went with his current CAD model
to get a test mule running.  I borrowed a chop saw and MIG welder then
ordered a pile of steel tubing before shutdown figuring I wanted a fun
garage project to get through this.  The roller is pretty much done so now
I get to the fun part of electrical stuff.  Planning on HPEVS drive and
Orion BMS, well-proven and made in the USA.  I want to mock up a Ford Model
T nose to put on it, it fits the character.

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> Is it too late to change your design a bit ? If you can get one of the
> dimensions 48" or more, then it is more useful in construction, for
> hauling plywood, drywall, and other sheet items.
>
> Peri
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Gary Krysztopik via EV" <[hidden email]>
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[hidden email]>
> Cc: "Gary Krysztopik" <[hidden email]>
> Sent: 16-Jun-20 10:48:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] George's farm truck/van EV project
>
> >Lee - " track 58" x 120" wheelbase, cargo area 44" x 40" x 80".  Pickup
> >truck or van, 1500lbs empty with 1500 lbs load."
> >
> >I would say we need to change some laws instead of trying to conform to
> >something that doesn't makes sense.
> >
> >On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 10:31 AM Lee Hart via EV <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >
> >>  Gary Krysztopik via EV wrote:
> >>  > I am working on a small van with a few other guys.  We were talking
> about
> >>  > kits but not sure yet, maybe only turn-key.  It is made in the USA,
> >>  > high-power NEV/LSEV with 60 cu ft/1500 lb capacity.  Multiple
> battery and
> >>  > drive options.  Attempting under $20K before incentives.  Prototype
> >>  roller
> >>  > is complete, test driving this summer.
> >>
> >>  Hi Gary,
> >>
> >>  Sounds like a good project. What size van?
> >>
> >>  Note that if it's classified as NEV/LSEV, there will be states where it
> >>  can't be used. Last I knew, my own state of MN specifically bans
> >>  "NEV/LSEV conversions and home built vehicles.".
> >>
> >>  A project I'm thinking of is a hybrid conversion of a pickup or van
> with
> >>  read wheel drive. Add the electric motor to the drive shaft. Use a
> motor
> >>  and controller that allows regen. This could add EV short range and low
> >>  speed capability to the typical gas-hog American pickups.
> >>
> >>  Lee Hart
> >>  --
> >>  If happiness is on your mind, here's a daily list to find:
> >>    - something to do
> >>    - something to look forward to
> >>    - someone to love
> >>    - someone to take good care of
> >>    - and misbehave, just a little
> >>    --
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> On 6/16/20 3:12 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
>> Is it too late to change your design a bit ? If you can get one of the
>> dimensions 48" or more, then it is more useful in construction, for
>> hauling plywood, drywall, and other sheet items.

> Perhaps they've made provision for loading 4'x8' sheets
> tilted/diagonally?  Or, hanging over the edge.

This touches on a pet peeve of mine as well. I've had trucks or vans for
my whole adult life, and have frequently hauled heavy or dirty stuff and
4'x8' sheets of material in them. That's what "trucks" are for! It was
pretty much a "given" that you had to be able to get a 4'x8' sheet in them.

But over the years, the "trucks" have become cars with bodies that only
look like trucks. The size and weight of the vehicle keeps getting
bigger, but its usefulness as a truck gets worse and worse.

None of the minivans have a 48" wide floor, nor a 48" high ceiling. None
of the small pickups can carry a 4'x8' sheet without both the length
*and* width hanging out. Try to haul a sheet of drywall propped up on a
wheel well and it will break on the first pothole. Yet the vehicles are
huge, and weigh 5000 lbs.

Gary, maybe you can design it with a flat floor *above* the wheels? With
small tires, the floor would still be much lower than the floor of any
current pickup truck. You don't need the fashionable monster wheels that
are so popular today.

Lee Hart

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My 99 odyssey will just barely take a sheet of plywood flat. If I pull the front seats forward I can close the tailgate, but it’s cramped for my 6’2” frame in the drivers seat.  

-Steve

> On Jun 16, 2020, at 5:25 PM, Lee Hart via EV <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Willie via EV wrote:
>>> On 6/16/20 3:12 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
>>> Is it too late to change your design a bit ? If you can get one of the
>>> dimensions 48" or more, then it is more useful in construction, for
>>> hauling plywood, drywall, and other sheet items.
>
>> Perhaps they've made provision for loading 4'x8' sheets
>> tilted/diagonally?  Or, hanging over the edge.
>
> This touches on a pet peeve of mine as well. I've had trucks or vans for my whole adult life, and have frequently hauled heavy or dirty stuff and 4'x8' sheets of material in them. That's what "trucks" are for! It was pretty much a "given" that you had to be able to get a 4'x8' sheet in them.
>
> But over the years, the "trucks" have become cars with bodies that only look like trucks. The size and weight of the vehicle keeps getting bigger, but its usefulness as a truck gets worse and worse.
>
> None of the minivans have a 48" wide floor, nor a 48" high ceiling. None of the small pickups can carry a 4'x8' sheet without both the length *and* width hanging out. Try to haul a sheet of drywall propped up on a wheel well and it will break on the first pothole. Yet the vehicles are huge, and weigh 5000 lbs.
>
> Gary, maybe you can design it with a flat floor *above* the wheels? With small tires, the floor would still be much lower than the floor of any current pickup truck. You don't need the fashionable monster wheels that are so popular today.
>
> Lee Hart
>
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That's why I've kept my odyssey 2000 minivan. It holds 4 of 4x8 sheets
flat on the floor with the tail gate shut. With it open, I can get 20
sheets inside plus a bunch of lumber. I can even get a limited number of
12' boards inside with the gate shut. Mostly I use it for hauling
relatively small quantities of lumber, as large loads are usually
delivered.

Maybe I should convert it :)

Thinking of a conversion, I believe I have about 5-6" of space under the
floor. There's a spare tire (which maybe could go under the hood? ), the
gas tank, and the exhaust system. It also has a pocket for the back seat
to drop into, but I probably want to keep that. Since I would be
removing everything, I think I might be able to get a battery box of
about 10' x 4' x 5" under there and still have the same ground
clearance.

One of the reasons not to convert is that final product is still an old
car with worn interiors, small dents all over the outside, and outdated
safety features. So, if someone were to produce a long-range "useful"
minivan at a "basic" price, that would be preferable. If I only wanted
it for city (which I need to think about), Gary's van might be suitable.

Peri

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>Willie via EV wrote:
>>On 6/16/20 3:12 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
>>>Is it too late to change your design a bit ? If you can get one of the
>>>dimensions 48" or more, then it is more useful in construction, for
>>>hauling plywood, drywall, and other sheet items.
>
>>Perhaps they've made provision for loading 4'x8' sheets
>>tilted/diagonally?  Or, hanging over the edge.
>
>This touches on a pet peeve of mine as well. I've had trucks or vans for my whole adult life, and have frequently hauled heavy or dirty stuff and 4'x8' sheets of material in them. That's what "trucks" are for! It was pretty much a "given" that you had to be able to get a 4'x8' sheet in them.
>
>But over the years, the "trucks" have become cars with bodies that only look like trucks. The size and weight of the vehicle keeps getting bigger, but its usefulness as a truck gets worse and worse.
>
>None of the minivans have a 48" wide floor, nor a 48" high ceiling. None of the small pickups can carry a 4'x8' sheet without both the length *and* width hanging out. Try to haul a sheet of drywall propped up on a wheel well and it will break on the first pothole. Yet the vehicles are huge, and weigh 5000 lbs.
>
>Gary, maybe you can design it with a flat floor *above* the wheels? With small tires, the floor would still be much lower than the floor of any current pickup truck. You don't need the fashionable monster wheels that are so popular today.
>
>Lee Hart
>
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> my odyssey 2000 minivan... holds 4 of 4x8 sheets flat on the floor with the
> tail gate shut... I can even get a limited number of 12' boards inside with
> the gate shut.

Right on point. I had an '87 and '92 Dodge minivans, and they could do
it. I had a 2002 VW Eurovan that would *easily* do it (huge inside,
small outside). But it was a reliability headache.

When it came time to replace it in 2014, we couldn't find any new
minivans that could do it. The Odyssey was a possibility, but our local
Honda dealer was a jerk, and didn't stock nor service them. The Toyota
Sienna could only do it if you piled them on *top* of the seats and left
the rear hatch open.

Likewise, the traditional small-cab full-bed pickups were already gone
by that time. Only available as full-size 5000 lbs "work trucks".
Everything has gone to 4-5 passenger cabls with only half a bed. I ended
up buying a used Chevy Colorado pickup. To carry drywall in it, I have
to put a sheet of 3/4" plywood in first, on top of the wheel wells, and
set the tailgate to half-open position to act as a shelf to support the
back.

> Maybe I should convert it :)

I keep thinking the same thing. Find an older minivan or pickup that's
in exceptionally good shape, and convert it into an EV or hybrid.

Lee

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> So, if someone were to produce a long-range "useful"
> minivan at a "basic" price, that would be preferable.

You have choices!  All you have to do is move to where the government
actually gives a fig about the environment - that is, just about any major
industrialized nation other than the US.

Have a look here:

https://www.drivingelectric.com/best-cars/586/best-electric-vans-2020

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When I first heard about the Tesla pickup (and before seeing what it was ) I started thinking about what I’d want in an electric pickup that opens up possibilities not available in an ICE. It would have a bed that could hold 4x8 plywood and an opening that would extend to the front that could handle 12’ lumber (maybe between the seats). The batteries would all be under that and the cab would be over. I was kind off disappointed  that the Tesla didn’t seem to take great advantage of the space that an EV could offer.

-Steve

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>> So, if someone were to produce a long-range "useful"
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Yeah, I've been following that. They're better than anything here but I
doubt most, if any, are large enough for 4x8 sheets.

The Rivian R1T will have a pass through for long items but 4x8 sheets
will still have to go high up on a rack (how are your lats and triceps
?).

Regardless, it looks like the next couple years are going to bring big
changes. Perhaps Tesla will do a minivan (though full of interior
features rather than just space), Mercedes, Toyota, and Ford. The latter
two probably have the best chance of meeting the hauling niche. Whether
any of them actually do what is rumored, ...

Peri

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>>  So, if someone were to produce a long-range "useful"
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On 17 Jun 2020 at 1:12, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:

> Mercedes, Toyota, and Ford. The latter two probably have the best
> chance of meeting the hauling niche. Whether any of them actually do
> what is rumored, ...

Funny the reputation Mercedes has in the US.  From my admittedly casual
exposure, It seems quite different in Europe.  I don't know that I'd say
they're any less likely to develop a substantial hauler than the other two.

Whether it and anything else that the other major automakers develop shows
up in the US is, IMO, a bigger question mark.  Much of their EV effort is
focused on the EU and Asia these days.  Those are the places that are
REQUIRING EVs, and offering significant incentives for them.  And that is
where EVs are selling.  Renault's second largest selling vehicle in January
(before the epidemic hit) was an EV.

Let's hope that I'm being too pessimistic about the US EV future.

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It appears that I lit a match under a powder keg of frustration. Is anyone in this group connected to Tesla in any way? I attempted to get a message to Elon Musk a couple of years ago when the idea of his truck was gaining ground. I was so disappointed at the unveiling, because the Cybertruck missed my needs by a country mile. We need a truck that is powerful, capable and affordable. Instead he shows us a truck that is bullet-proof, Porsche-fast and a little on the high-priced side. Is there any way to communicate with these automakers? Ford teased us with a video of an EV prototype F150 pulling 1,000,000 pounds. That is over-kill, but it at least shows the possibilities. Produce an EV pick-up that can haul construction materials and tow somewhere between 18K and 25K pounds with about 150-200 miles of range and I believe it would sell. I guess we are asking too much!

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On 17 Jun 2020 at 1:12, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:

> Mercedes, Toyota, and Ford. The latter two probably have the best
> chance of meeting the hauling niche. Whether any of them actually do
> what is rumored, ...

Funny the reputation Mercedes has in the US.  From my admittedly casual exposure, It seems quite different in Europe.  I don't know that I'd say they're any less likely to develop a substantial hauler than the other two.

Whether it and anything else that the other major automakers develop shows up in the US is, IMO, a bigger question mark.  Much of their EV effort is focused on the EU and Asia these days.  Those are the places that are REQUIRING EVs, and offering significant incentives for them.  And that is where EVs are selling.  Renault's second largest selling vehicle in January (before the epidemic hit) was an EV.

Let's hope that I'm being too pessimistic about the US EV future.

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I think you are dreaming. Who makes a pickup that will tow 25k? I think only a few of them will tow 18K and you won’t buy one for under $40k.

The cyber truck advertised 14k towing. Not bad for the price.

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> It appears that I lit a match under a powder keg of frustration. Is anyone in this group connected to Tesla in any way? I attempted to get a message to Elon Musk a couple of years ago when the idea of his truck was gaining ground. I was so disappointed at the unveiling, because the Cybertruck missed my needs by a country mile. We need a truck that is powerful, capable and affordable. Instead he shows us a truck that is bullet-proof, Porsche-fast and a little on the high-priced side. Is there any way to communicate with these automakers? Ford teased us with a video of an EV prototype F150 pulling 1,000,000 pounds. That is over-kill, but it at least shows the possibilities. Produce an EV pick-up that can haul construction materials and tow somewhere between 18K and 25K pounds with about 150-200 miles of range and I believe it would sell. I guess we are asking too much!
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>> On 17 Jun 2020 at 1:12, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
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>> Mercedes, Toyota, and Ford. The latter two probably have the best
>> chance of meeting the hauling niche. Whether any of them actually do
>> what is rumored, ...
>
> Funny the reputation Mercedes has in the US.  From my admittedly casual exposure, It seems quite different in Europe.  I don't know that I'd say they're any less likely to develop a substantial hauler than the other two.
>
> Whether it and anything else that the other major automakers develop shows up in the US is, IMO, a bigger question mark.  Much of their EV effort is focused on the EU and Asia these days.  Those are the places that are REQUIRING EVs, and offering significant incentives for them.  And that is where EVs are selling.  Renault's second largest selling vehicle in January (before the epidemic hit) was an EV.
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Elon is apparently considering a couple options on the Cybertruck that would make it more suitable for hauling 4x8 sheets.

One is a flipstop on the tailgate, another was suggested to him on twitter recently and he seems to like the idea:  make the rear window roll down into a gate that can fold forward over the rear seat.  This would extend the bed into the cab.  Not only would this allow 4x8 sheets with the tailgate closed, but it would allow you to close the cover on the bed and sleep inside with the climate control system running, that would make it nice for camping when the weather is unpleasant.

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> Yeah, I've been following that. They're better than anything here but I doubt most, if any, are
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>
> The Rivian R1T will have a pass through for long items but 4x8 sheets will still have to go high up
> on a rack (how are your lats and triceps ?).
>
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> The latter two probably have the best chance of meeting the hauling niche. Whether any of them
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