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% IMO, many years ago Google Maps added EVSE/charge-points, but they are not
a useful EVSE-finder tool: they do not keep the listings up-to-date, its
near impossible to correct a listing or add comments or photos, etc.
Plugshare.com is still the best EVSE-finder tool.
https://www.google.com/search?q=electric+vehicle+plugshare
If in your part of the Earth plugshare is incomplete, there may be an
EVSE-finder tool that is more tuned for your region, but select one that is
similar to plugshare in that it allows drivers to keep listings up-to-date
(like open source), add comments, photos, and states issues, directions,
restrictions, etc. in the same helpful way plugshare does. %

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https://www.pocket-lint.com/apps/news/google/147837-how-to-find-electric-car-charging-stations-google-maps
How to find electric car charging points on Google Maps
23 April 2019

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Google Maps has added the ability to find electric car charging locations,
bringing extra convenience feature for drivers of EVs ... Source:
blog.google
...
https://www.blog.google/products/maps/finding-place-charge-your-ev-easy-google-maps/
Finding a place to charge your EV is easy with Google Maps


+
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2019/04/20190425-penske.html
Penske Truck Leasing to deploy heavy-duty DC fast charging stations in SoCal
25 April 2019  Penske Truck Leasing will open commercial heavy-duty electric
vehicle charging stations with 14 high-speed chargers at four of its
existing facilities in Southern California ... designed specifically for
heavy-duty commercial electric vehicles ... providing a DC fast charging
option for commercial electric fleets. Utilizing 50 kW to 150 kW chargers
... allows Penske to power an all-electric class 8 tractor from zero to 100%
charge in less than half a shift ...



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Does anyone have a recommendation for Europe, specifically France?

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Plugshare.com lists stations in Europe. Maybe someone who has been to France can comment on the reliability of it.

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Does anyone have a recommendation for Europe, specifically France?

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On 30 Apr 2019 at 4:16, David Nelson via EV wrote:

> Plugshare.com lists stations in Europe. Maybe someone who has been to France
> can comment on the reliability of it.

Thanks for the reference, but that's actually why I posted that question.  I
tried Plugshare.  In the particular small French city I checked, which I
know has at least 5 public EVSEs (at least 3 of them free), Plugshare
identifies only one.  

I found somewhat better results at chargemap.com.  Oddly, its search gadget
couldn't find the city I was interested in, but with a bunch of clicking,
zooming, and scrolling, I was able to find it on the map.  (Having to do all
that on a mobile phone's itty-bitty screen and mouseless UI would kind of
suck.)  Chargemap then spotted 4 of the 5 EVSEs.  

Unfortunately, before they'll tell me anything about those EVSEs, Chargemap
want me to sign up so they can email me spam, and I'm not going to do that
just now.

I also tried plugsurfing.com, but they didn't find ANYTHING.  They seem more
focused on higher power, expensive autoroute EVSEs where they presumably get
a nice big fat cut of the profits.

So I was just wondering if any of our EU correspondents had a better idea.

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Presumably you tried fr.chargemap.com, not chargemap.comI saw several references to it, leading me to believe it's popular.I also found this one:www.bornes-recharge.netI have no idea if it's better.Peri------ Original message------From: EVDL Administrator via EVDate: Wed, May 1, 2019 17:47To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List;Cc: EVDL Administrator;Subject:Re: [EVDL] % Google Maps is NOT a reliable tool to find EVSE % (goog-pr)On 30 Apr 2019 at 4:16, David Nelson via EV wrote:

> Plugshare.com lists stations in Europe. Maybe someone who has been to France
> can comment on the reliability of it.

Thanks for the reference, but that's actually why I posted that question.  I
tried Plugshare.  In the particular small French city I checked, which I
know has at least 5 public EVSEs (at least 3 of them free), Plugshare
identifies only one.  

I found somewhat better results at chargemap.com.  Oddly, its search gadget
couldn't find the city I was interested in, but with a bunch of clicking,
zooming, and scrolling, I was able to find it on the map.  (Having to do all
that on a mobile phone's itty-bitty screen and mouseless UI would kind of
suck.)  Chargemap then spotted 4 of the 5 EVSEs.  

Unfortunately, before they'll tell me anything about those EVSEs, Chargemap
want me to sign up so they can email me spam, and I'm not going to do that
just now.

I also tried plugsurfing.com, but they didn't find ANYTHING.  They seem more
focused on higher power, expensive autoroute EVSEs where they presumably get
a nice big fat cut of the profits.

So I was just wondering if any of our EU correspondents had a better idea.

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On 5/1/19 8:50 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:

> On 30 Apr 2019 at 4:16, David Nelson via EV wrote:
>
>> Plugshare.com lists stations in Europe. Maybe someone who has been to France
>> can comment on the reliability of it.
> Thanks for the reference, but that's actually why I posted that question.  I
> tried Plugshare.  In the particular small French city I checked, which I
> know has at least 5 public EVSEs (at least 3 of them free), Plugshare
> identifies only one.
>
> I found somewhat better results at chargemap.com.  Oddly, its search gadget
> couldn't find the city I was interested in, but with a bunch of clicking,
> zooming, and scrolling, I was able to find it on the map.  (Having to do all
> that on a mobile phone's itty-bitty screen and mouseless UI would kind of
> suck.)  Chargemap then spotted 4 of the 5 EVSEs.
>
> Unfortunately, before they'll tell me anything about those EVSEs, Chargemap
> want me to sign up so they can email me spam, and I'm not going to do that
> just now.
>
> I also tried plugsurfing.com, but they didn't find ANYTHING.  They seem more
> focused on higher power, expensive autoroute EVSEs where they presumably get
> a nice big fat cut of the profits.
>
> So I was just wondering if any of our EU correspondents had a better idea.
>
> David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
> EVDL Administrator
Hi David,

Have you tried the ChargePoint app? I just looked around France with it,
and it found a ton of charging stations.
However, it may also require you to sign up, I'm not sure.

What town in France were you looking at?

Cheers, Peter

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On 1 May 2019 at 18:53, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:

> Presumably you tried fr.chargemap.com, not chargemap.com

Thanks for pointing that out!  Actually I was using chargemap.com, which
starts off centered on Germany.  

At your suggestion I tried fr.chargemap.com, which saves lots of clicking
and dragging because it's centered on France.  It locates exactly the same
EVSEs, which I guess makes sense.

> I also found this one: www.bornes-recharge.net  I have no idea if it's
> better.

www.bornes-recharge.net says "This map is provided by Chargemap."  So I
assume it will be the same.  

I guess we're all looking forward to the time when public EVSEs are as
numerous and accessable as filling stations are now, and you can expect to
find at least one at nearly every highway junction.

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I'm not sure EV charging stations will ever be as prolific as gas stations are now.  There will always be a significant amount of people who charge primarily at home, so the demand will be less... Don't know if that is good or bad, but I know very few people have their own gas pumps.

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On 1 May 2019 at 18:53, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:

> Presumably you tried fr.chargemap.com, not chargemap.com

Thanks for pointing that out!  Actually I was using chargemap.com, which
starts off centered on Germany.

At your suggestion I tried fr.chargemap.com, which saves lots of clicking
and dragging because it's centered on France.  It locates exactly the same
EVSEs, which I guess makes sense.

> I also found this one: www.bornes-recharge.net<http://www.bornes-recharge.net>  I have no idea if it's
> better.

www.bornes-recharge.net<http://www.bornes-recharge.net> says "This map is provided by Chargemap."  So I
assume it will be the same.

I guess we're all looking forward to the time when public EVSEs are as
numerous and accessable as filling stations are now, and you can expect to
find at least one at nearly every highway junction.

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Damon Henry via EV wrote:
> I'm not sure EV charging stations will ever be as prolific as gas stations are now.  There will always be a significant amount of people who charge primarily at home, so the demand will be less... Don't know if that is good or bad, but I know very few people have their own gas pumps.

I sure hope so, Damon! But I also know the vested interests in the oil
and auto industries have a powerful urge to "rig" things so we can't
charge at home. They have the money and lobbies to get the laws written
*their* way. You can just imagine the arguments they will make:

- Home charging cheats on taxes. Governments won't get its fuel taxes.
- Charging is dangerous. It must be done at "safe" locations like
public filling station.
- Home charging will overload the electric grid. It must be regulated to
prevent brownouts and failures.
- EVs must have patented/licensed/regulated charging facilities that
must be regularly inspected and approved. People can't have their own
gas pumps; so they can't have their own EVSE's either.

The gas-buying public at large will agree with all of these claims. Many
will even loudly defend anything that disadvantages "them tree-hugging
job-killin' liberal socialist EV drivers". In constrast, EV drivers are
an insignificant minority with essentially no lobbying power.

Sigh...
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Good morning folks,I recall growing up on the farm, and having a 500 gallon above ground diesel fueling tank for our farm tractor. The dairy farmers around us had both gas and diesel tanks on site for their equipment. Fuel trucks showed up monthly to top them off.Of course, the benefit for this has to outweigh the operating cost of having the service. Having a dedicated 240 volt receptacle, using electricity that is already being delivered to your location represents a much smarter option (in my humble opinion).-Tom True Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
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  (goog-pr) Damon Henry via EV wrote:> I'm not sure EV charging stations will ever be as prolific as gas stations are now.  There will always be a significant amount of people who charge primarily at home, so the demand will be less... Don't know if that is good or bad, but I know very few people have their own gas pumps.I sure hope so, Damon! But I also know the vested interests in the oil and auto industries have a powerful urge to "rig" things so we can't charge at home. They have the money and lobbies to get the laws written *their* way. You can just imagine the arguments they will make:- Home charging cheats on taxes. Governments won't get its fuel taxes.- Charging is dangerous. It must be done at "safe" locations like public filling station.- Home charging will overload the electric grid. It must be regulated to prevent brownouts and failures.- EVs must have patented/licensed/regulated charging facilities thatmust be regularly inspected and approved. People can't have their own gas pumps; so they can't have their own EVSE's either.The gas-buying public at large will agree with all of these claims. Many will even loudly defend anything that disadvantages "them tree-hugging job-killin' liberal socialist EV drivers". In constrast, EV drivers are an insignificant minority with essentially no lobbying power.Sigh...-- Fools ignore complexity. Pragmatists suffer it. The wise avoid it.Geniuses remove it. -- Alan Perlis, "Epigrams on Programming"--Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com_______________________________________________UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usubhttp://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.orgPlease discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
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