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Hybrid Technologies conversions

Willie McKemie
I noticed mention in EVWorld of Ray Blackburn (apparently of Oregon)
buying a HT Yaris.  Poking around a bit, I found :
http://www.nabble.com/New-electric-car.-td21718577.html
which is a month old, but nothing newer.  No replies, no
congratulations, no further discussion.

The car is apparently this:
http://www.hybridtechnologies.com/products/cars/wise
The site does not inform us of the cell number, type, or capacity.

If HT is actually delivering functional conversions, it seems to me
that we would be hearing about it.

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Re: Hybrid Technologies conversions

EVDL Administrator
On 2 Mar 2009 at 12:11, Willie McKemie wrote:

> Poking around a bit, I found :
> http://www.nabble.com/New-electric-car.-td21718577.html which is a
> month old, but nothing newer.  No replies, no congratulations, no
> further discussion.
>

That's not the EVDL archive.  The message you dug up has nothing to do with
discussions on this list.  The archive where you found it is from the OEVA
(Oregon Electric Vehicle Association) mailing list.  For more information,
please check with OEVA (oeva.org).

Although this owner doesn't appear to be an EVDL member, the company Hybrid
Technologies has been mentioned on the EVDL. Here's a recent thread :

http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html#nabble-td15665266%7Ca15665266

You can read more threads by entering "Hybrid Technologies" (with the
quotation marks) at our archive :

http://evdl.org/archive/

David Roden
EVDL Administrator
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Re: Hybrid Technologies conversions

joe-22
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Actually, he had it at the OEVA meeting last month in Portland - he had just
received the car. Very impressive , and quite a crowd-pleaser, as well.

Joseph H. Strubhar

Web: www.gremcoinc.com

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Willie McKemie" <[hidden email]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 10:11 AM
Subject: [EVDL] Hybrid Technologies conversions


>I noticed mention in EVWorld of Ray Blackburn (apparently of Oregon)
> buying a HT Yaris.  Poking around a bit, I found :
> http://www.nabble.com/New-electric-car.-td21718577.html
> which is a month old, but nothing newer.  No replies, no
> congratulations, no further discussion.
>
> The car is apparently this:
> http://www.hybridtechnologies.com/products/cars/wise
> The site does not inform us of the cell number, type, or capacity.
>
> If HT is actually delivering functional conversions, it seems to me
> that we would be hearing about it.
>
> --
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Re: Hybrid Technologies conversions

Curtis Steinman
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So what are the specifics? Design, performance, cost?

>From the mobile phone of
Curtis Steinman

-----Original Message-----
From: joe <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 7:18 PM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Technologies conversions

Actually, he had it at the OEVA meeting last month in Portland - he had just
received the car. Very impressive , and quite a crowd-pleaser, as well.

Joseph H. Strubhar

Web: www.gremcoinc.com

E-mail: [hidden email]


----- Original Message -----
From: "Willie McKemie" <[hidden email]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 10:11 AM
Subject: [EVDL] Hybrid Technologies conversions


>I noticed mention in EVWorld of Ray Blackburn (apparently of Oregon)
> buying a HT Yaris.  Poking around a bit, I found :
> http://www.nabble.com/New-electric-car.-td21718577.html
> which is a month old, but nothing newer.  No replies, no
> congratulations, no further discussion.
>
> The car is apparently this:
> http://www.hybridtechnologies.com/products/cars/wise
> The site does not inform us of the cell number, type, or capacity.
>
> If HT is actually delivering functional conversions, it seems to me
> that we would be hearing about it.
>
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Re: Hybrid Technologies conversions

Willie McKemie
On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 06:56:53AM -0700, Curtis Steinman wrote:

> So what are the specifics? Design, performance, cost?

It's on EVAlbum!  And has been for two weeks.
http://www.evalbum.com/1892

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Re: Hybrid Technologies conversions

joe-22
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I don't remember a lot, but recall that he had gotten over 100 miles  range
in mixed driving, and if I remember correctly, just under 100 in freeway
driveing. He had not done any hyper-miling yet; he said thus far, he was
having too much fun with it!

Very clean install, professional job all the way.

Joseph H. Strubhar

Web: www.gremcoinc.com

E-mail: [hidden email]


----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis Steinman" <[hidden email]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 5:56 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Technologies conversions


> So what are the specifics? Design, performance, cost?
>
>>From the mobile phone of
> Curtis Steinman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: joe <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 7:18 PM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Technologies conversions
>
> Actually, he had it at the OEVA meeting last month in Portland - he had
> just
> received the car. Very impressive , and quite a crowd-pleaser, as well.
>
> Joseph H. Strubhar
>
> Web: www.gremcoinc.com
>
> E-mail: [hidden email]
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Willie McKemie" <[hidden email]>
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 10:11 AM
> Subject: [EVDL] Hybrid Technologies conversions
>
>
>>I noticed mention in EVWorld of Ray Blackburn (apparently of Oregon)
>> buying a HT Yaris.  Poking around a bit, I found :
>> http://www.nabble.com/New-electric-car.-td21718577.html
>> which is a month old, but nothing newer.  No replies, no
>> congratulations, no further discussion.
>>
>> The car is apparently this:
>> http://www.hybridtechnologies.com/products/cars/wise
>> The site does not inform us of the cell number, type, or capacity.
>>
>> If HT is actually delivering functional conversions, it seems to me
>> that we would be hearing about it.
>>
>> --
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Re: Hybrid Technologies conversions

joe-22
In reply to this post by Curtis Steinman
Sorry, missed the last point on cost -  expensive, I believe in the
$20,000 - $25,000 range. I don't think he gave us an exact figure.

Joseph H. Strubhar

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis Steinman" <[hidden email]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 5:56 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Technologies conversions


> So what are the specifics? Design, performance, cost?
>
>>From the mobile phone of
> Curtis Steinman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: joe <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 7:18 PM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Technologies conversions
>
> Actually, he had it at the OEVA meeting last month in Portland - he had
> just
> received the car. Very impressive , and quite a crowd-pleaser, as well.
>
> Joseph H. Strubhar
>
> Web: www.gremcoinc.com
>
> E-mail: [hidden email]
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Willie McKemie" <[hidden email]>
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 10:11 AM
> Subject: [EVDL] Hybrid Technologies conversions
>
>
>>I noticed mention in EVWorld of Ray Blackburn (apparently of Oregon)
>> buying a HT Yaris.  Poking around a bit, I found :
>> http://www.nabble.com/New-electric-car.-td21718577.html
>> which is a month old, but nothing newer.  No replies, no
>> congratulations, no further discussion.
>>
>> The car is apparently this:
>> http://www.hybridtechnologies.com/products/cars/wise
>> The site does not inform us of the cell number, type, or capacity.
>>
>> If HT is actually delivering functional conversions, it seems to me
>> that we would be hearing about it.
>>
>> --
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>> http://counter.li.org Linux registered user #228836 since 1995
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Re: Hybrid Technologies conversions

Bob Rice-2
   I Looked! Very nice car. EXCEPT it is ANOTHER 100k er!Feh! Where is the
car for the common Sheeple? I guess it's 8k cheaper than a Tesla, and
actually USEFUL, as I could use it to haull MORE than 2 other sheeple with
me? I guess it's the BATTERY that is most of the cost of the car? Maybe it's
priced right, as Tesla has a backlog of sheeple trying to buy electrics,
again proving nobody will buy electrics?

   GM told us so!

   Seeya

   Bob
----- Original Message -----
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To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Technologies conversions


> Sorry, missed the last point on cost -  expensive, I believe in the
> $20,000 - $25,000 range. I don't think he gave us an exact figure.
>
> Joseph H. Strubhar
>
> Web: www.gremcoinc.com
>
> E-mail: [hidden email]
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Curtis Steinman" <[hidden email]>
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 5:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Technologies conversions
>
>
>> So what are the specifics? Design, performance, cost?
>>
>>>From the mobile phone of
>> Curtis Steinman
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: joe <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 7:18 PM
>> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[hidden email]>
>> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Technologies conversions
>>
>> Actually, he had it at the OEVA meeting last month in Portland - he had
>> just
>> received the car. Very impressive , and quite a crowd-pleaser, as well.
>>
>> Joseph H. Strubhar
>>
>> Web: www.gremcoinc.com
>>
>> E-mail: [hidden email]
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Willie McKemie" <[hidden email]>
>> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 10:11 AM
>> Subject: [EVDL] Hybrid Technologies conversions
>>
>>
>>>I noticed mention in EVWorld of Ray Blackburn (apparently of Oregon)
>>> buying a HT Yaris.  Poking around a bit, I found :
>>> http://www.nabble.com/New-electric-car.-td21718577.html
>>> which is a month old, but nothing newer.  No replies, no
>>> congratulations, no further discussion.
>>>
>>> The car is apparently this:
>>> http://www.hybridtechnologies.com/products/cars/wise
>>> The site does not inform us of the cell number, type, or capacity.
>>>
>>> If HT is actually delivering functional conversions, it seems to me
>>> that we would be hearing about it.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Willie, ONWARD!  Through the fog!
>>> http://counter.li.org Linux registered user #228836 since 1995
>>> Debian3.1/GNU/Linux system uptime  443 days  6 hours 59 minutes
>>>
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Re: Hybrid Technologies conversions

Nicolas Drouin
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Nice project.  The Yaris is a very compact platform, however, and its a
shame he's lost the back seat.

I recall Mark Dutko's Electric Yaris:
  http://www.go-ev.com/Mark_Dutko_Album_files/index.html
Was AGM / Zilla / Warp based.  (Used to have a nice blog for this, but it
seems that its been lost in the ether...)
He got them all in under the hood and in the trunk, but he lost the trunk...
I guess its a matter of preference.

-Nick


On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Willie McKemie <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 06:56:53AM -0700, Curtis Steinman wrote:
>
> > So what are the specifics? Design, performance, cost?
>
> It's on EVAlbum!  And has been for two weeks.
> http://www.evalbum.com/1892
>
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Re: Hybrid Technologies conversions

Willie McKemie
In reply to this post by Willie McKemie
On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 08:50:43AM -0600, Willie McKemie wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 06:56:53AM -0700, Curtis Steinman wrote:
>
> > So what are the specifics? Design, performance, cost?
>
> It's on EVAlbum!  And has been for two weeks.
> http://www.evalbum.com/1892

I haven't before heard of "Super Lattice" lithium cells.  If the
numbers on the EVAlbum page are correct (and I doubt that they are),
the cell voltage would be 5.1.  There is little given to allow energy
storage estimation, but it has to be around 40 KWH.  Also nothing given
on the pack weight, but it seems to be 500 lb or less.

It looks like the cost is around $40K probably plus the donor.  
$55K-$60K altogether.  If the cells are reliable, it would be
semi-attractive.

I've been watching HT's stock, now EVII.OB.  I believe last year they
reverse split up to $5 and now they're down between $1 and $2.

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Re: Hybrid Technologies conversions

Bob Rice-2

----- Original Message -----
From: "Willie McKemie" <[hidden email]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Technologies conversions


> On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 08:50:43AM -0600, Willie McKemie wrote:
>> On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 06:56:53AM -0700, Curtis Steinman wrote:
>>
>> > So what are the specifics? Design, performance, cost?
>>
>> It's on EVAlbum!  And has been for two weeks.
>> http://www.evalbum.com/1892
>
> I haven't before heard of "Super Lattice" lithium cells.  If the
> numbers on the EVAlbum page are correct (and I doubt that they are),
> the cell voltage would be 5.1.  There is little given to allow energy
> storage estimation, but it has to be around 40 KWH.  Also nothing given
> on the pack weight, but it seems to be 500 lb or less.
>
> It looks like the cost is around $40K probably plus the donor.
> $55K-$60K altogether.  If the cells are reliable, it would be
> semi-attractive.

        OK Tell us how those batteries are doing in, say, 5, 10 years? Of
course we don't KNOW, yet? Tesla fans have deep enough pockets to afford new
ones in a few years. The old Van Derbilt Thing" If I had to worry about the
cost, I wouldn't own it." About a Yacht he had over 100 years ago!

    Don't like dissing any EV stuff, I'm just sitting on the sidlines as I
have for over 40 Earth Years, waiting for MY affordable Store Bought EV?
Guess I gotta get the tranny BACK into the Jetta? Sigh!

     Seeya

     Bob
> I've been watching HT's stock, now EVII.OB.  I believe last year they
> reverse split up to $5 and now they're down between $1 and $2.

        the REST of Wall Street is in the same toilet!But IF these guyz HAVE
something, it sure will go up!
> --
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> Turning" From "Titanic" ."But she CAN'T SINK!"Other cute sayings<g>?

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Re: Hybrid Technologies conversions

Rick Beebe
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According to the evalbum page it cost $41,020 complete (except delivery
costs). A pretty expensive Yaris but way closer to affordable than a Tesla.

--Rick

Bob Rice wrote:

>    I Looked! Very nice car. EXCEPT it is ANOTHER 100k er!Feh! Where is the
> car for the common Sheeple? I guess it's 8k cheaper than a Tesla, and
> actually USEFUL, as I could use it to haull MORE than 2 other sheeple with
> me? I guess it's the BATTERY that is most of the cost of the car? Maybe it's
> priced right, as Tesla has a backlog of sheeple trying to buy electrics,
> again proving nobody will buy electrics?
>
>    GM told us so!
>
>    Seeya
>
>    Bob

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Re: Hybrid Technologies conversions

Roger Heuckeroth
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Bob,

It looks like its about $40K.  Still beyond what average sheeple can  
afford, but getting closer.  They are using those Kokham Korean  
Lithium Polymer Cells.  Not quite as safe as LiFePO4, but with higher  
energy density.  I don't think Lithium will ever get low enough for  
everybody to afford.  However, at $40K your starting to get into the  
area that some people with good jobs can afford.

The problem I think your pointing out is that until everyone can  
afford an EV, the problem is not solved.  If just the rich go out and  
buy EVs, then there are still the millions who go around polluting the  
air in old used gas guzzlers.  If you only make $20K a year, how are  
you going to ever afford one of these and still put food on the table  
and roof over your head?

Roger

On Mar 3, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Bob Rice wrote:

>   I Looked! Very nice car. EXCEPT it is ANOTHER 100k er!Feh! Where  
> is the
> car for the common Sheeple? I guess it's 8k cheaper than a Tesla, and
> actually USEFUL, as I could use it to haull MORE than 2 other  
> sheeple with
> me? I guess it's the BATTERY that is most of the cost of the car?  
> Maybe it's
> priced right, as Tesla has a backlog of sheeple trying to buy  
> electrics,
> again proving nobody will buy electrics?
>
>   GM told us so!
>
>   Seeya
>
>   Bob
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "joe" <[hidden email]>
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Technologies conversions
>
>
>> Sorry, missed the last point on cost -  expensive, I believe in the
>> $20,000 - $25,000 range. I don't think he gave us an exact figure.
>>
>> Joseph H. Strubhar
>>
>> Web: www.gremcoinc.com
>>
>> E-mail: [hidden email]
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Curtis Steinman" <[hidden email]>
>> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 5:56 AM
>> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Technologies conversions
>>
>>
>>> So what are the specifics? Design, performance, cost?
>>>
>>>> From the mobile phone of
>>> Curtis Steinman
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: joe <[hidden email]>
>>> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 7:18 PM
>>> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[hidden email]>
>>> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Technologies conversions
>>>
>>> Actually, he had it at the OEVA meeting last month in Portland -  
>>> he had
>>> just
>>> received the car. Very impressive , and quite a crowd-pleaser, as  
>>> well.
>>>
>>> Joseph H. Strubhar
>>>
>>> Web: www.gremcoinc.com
>>>
>>> E-mail: [hidden email]
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Willie McKemie" <[hidden email]>
>>> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[hidden email]>
>>> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 10:11 AM
>>> Subject: [EVDL] Hybrid Technologies conversions
>>>
>>>
>>>> I noticed mention in EVWorld of Ray Blackburn (apparently of  
>>>> Oregon)
>>>> buying a HT Yaris.  Poking around a bit, I found :
>>>> http://www.nabble.com/New-electric-car.-td21718577.html
>>>> which is a month old, but nothing newer.  No replies, no
>>>> congratulations, no further discussion.
>>>>
>>>> The car is apparently this:
>>>> http://www.hybridtechnologies.com/products/cars/wise
>>>> The site does not inform us of the cell number, type, or capacity.
>>>>
>>>> If HT is actually delivering functional conversions, it seems to me
>>>> that we would be hearing about it.
>>>>
>>>> --
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Re: Hybrid Technologies conversions

Roger Heuckeroth
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They also do several other conversions on Chrysler products.  I wonder  
if Chrysler worked with them on their ENVI products?

On Mar 3, 2009, at 11:02 AM, Rick Beebe wrote:

> According to the evalbum page it cost $41,020 complete (except  
> delivery
> costs). A pretty expensive Yaris but way closer to affordable than a  
> Tesla.
>
> --Rick
>
> Bob Rice wrote:
>>   I Looked! Very nice car. EXCEPT it is ANOTHER 100k er!Feh! Where  
>> is the
>> car for the common Sheeple? I guess it's 8k cheaper than a Tesla, and
>> actually USEFUL, as I could use it to haull MORE than 2 other  
>> sheeple with
>> me? I guess it's the BATTERY that is most of the cost of the car?  
>> Maybe it's
>> priced right, as Tesla has a backlog of sheeple trying to buy  
>> electrics,
>> again proving nobody will buy electrics?
>>
>>   GM told us so!
>>
>>   Seeya
>>
>>   Bob
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Re: Hybrid Technologies conversions

Bob Rice-2
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Heuckeroth" <[hidden email]>
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Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Technologies conversions


> Bob,
>
> It looks like its about $40K.  Still beyond what average sheeple can
> afford, but getting closer.  They are using those Kokham Korean
> Lithium Polymer Cells.  Not quite as safe as LiFePO4, but with higher
> energy density.  I don't think Lithium will ever get low enough for
> everybody to afford.  However, at $40K your starting to get into the
> area that some people with good jobs can afford.
>
> The problem I think your pointing out is that until everyone can
> afford an EV, the problem is not solved.  If just the rich go out and
> buy EVs, then there are still the millions who go around polluting the
> air in old used gas guzzlers.  If you only make $20K a year, how are
> you going to ever afford one of these and still put food on the table
> and roof over your head?
>
> Roger

   Good point, Roger, Guess THIS Is why we will have Led Acids for a long
while? There is a LOT of room for improvment here? like Lee's Sunrise, to
get  Better utilization from thecknology we have NOW? Thinking Firefly
badd-eries. Hawker Aeros, stuff like that which can and will get us FAR away
from 90-120 volt systems without having a car that weighs as much as
a(electric Loco) GG-1!Or a "nuckler" reactor as talked about for Dr. Dave's
Delorian?We COULD have a whole fleet of Led Acids, like Wayne is building in
Kansas?The Sundancer"? That Bob McKee's ride, built back in the 70's showed
us, who were listening, the right way!Wayland with his 12 pound Datsun's,
too?WEIGHT is EVerything. Talk to the Aero~Plane folks, no steel, or
concrete planes?What's a few hundred tons among friends, as I usta say on
the RR<g>!Extra few cars; Everybody can sit down, for great Mass Trance Sit!
Different ball game!

    Seeya

    Bob ......... EV Blue~ the 4th biggest Car Co, taking Bob Beaumont's
title from Citicar daze??

> On Mar 3, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Bob Rice wrote:
>
>>   I Looked! Very nice car. EXCEPT it is ANOTHER 100k er!Feh! Where
>> is the
>> car for the common Sheeple? I guess it's 8k cheaper than a Tesla, and
>> actually USEFUL, as I could use it to haull MORE than 2 other
>> sheeple with
>> me? I guess it's the BATTERY that is most of the cost of the car?
>> Maybe it's
>> priced right, as Tesla has a backlog of sheeple trying to buy
>> electrics,
>> again proving nobody will buy electrics?
>>
>>   GM told us so!
>>
>>   Seeya
>>
>>   Bob
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "joe" <[hidden email]>
>> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:52 AM
>> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Technologies conversions
>>
>>
>>> Sorry, missed the last point on cost -  expensive, I believe in the
>>> $20,000 - $25,000 range. I don't think he gave us an exact figure.
>>>
>>> Joseph H. Strubhar
>>>
>>> Web: www.gremcoinc.com
>>>
>>> E-mail: [hidden email]
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Curtis Steinman" <[hidden email]>
>>> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[hidden email]>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 5:56 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Technologies conversions
>>>
>>>
>>>> So what are the specifics? Design, performance, cost?
>>>>
>>>>> From the mobile phone of
>>>> Curtis Steinman
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: joe <[hidden email]>
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 7:18 PM
>>>> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[hidden email]>
>>>> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Technologies conversions
>>>>
>>>> Actually, he had it at the OEVA meeting last month in Portland -
>>>> he had
>>>> just
>>>> received the car. Very impressive , and quite a crowd-pleaser, as
>>>> well.
>>>>
>>>> Joseph H. Strubhar
>>>>
>>>> Web: www.gremcoinc.com
>>>>
>>>> E-mail: [hidden email]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Willie McKemie" <[hidden email]>
>>>> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[hidden email]>
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 10:11 AM
>>>> Subject: [EVDL] Hybrid Technologies conversions
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I noticed mention in EVWorld of Ray Blackburn (apparently of
>>>>> Oregon)
>>>>> buying a HT Yaris.  Poking around a bit, I found :
>>>>> http://www.nabble.com/New-electric-car.-td21718577.html
>>>>> which is a month old, but nothing newer.  No replies, no
>>>>> congratulations, no further discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>> The car is apparently this:
>>>>> http://www.hybridtechnologies.com/products/cars/wise
>>>>> The site does not inform us of the cell number, type, or capacity.
>>>>>
>>>>> If HT is actually delivering functional conversions, it seems to me
>>>>> that we would be hearing about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Willie, ONWARD!  Through the fog!
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Older K and W Charger

Bob Rice-2
  Hey! ANYBODY got a schematic for a older K and W Charger a BC-20? The one
I had in my rehomed Sentra, a 90 volter, is tripping circus breakers when
plugged in. Anybody familiar with there? Looks like a diode, rectifyer
setup, light dimmer setup?Has a small circuit board, I guess to regulate the
charging, volts and amps? It has worked fine about a year, or so.

   Anybody got a print of it? Sure would take the sport out of trouble
shooting it!

     Thanks

      Bob, ..........service after the sale.

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Re: Older K and W Charger

Gail Lucas-2
Hi Bob,

I have just been looking through my VW manuals for some stuff to send to
David and I see there are eight pages from KTA Services Inc. which are
labelled "Application and Installation of the K & W Eng. BC-20 Battery
Charger".  There are some pictures of a barrier terminal strip with a lot of
wires and screws, a terminal block and a bunch of specifications.  Would
this be what you are looking for?

Gail
Las Vegas

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Subject: [EVDL] Older K and W Charger


>  Hey! ANYBODY got a schematic for a older K and W Charger a BC-20? The one
> I had in my rehomed Sentra, a 90 volter, is tripping circus breakers when
> plugged in. Anybody familiar with there? Looks like a diode, rectifyer
> setup, light dimmer setup?Has a small circuit board, I guess to regulate
> the
> charging, volts and amps? It has worked fine about a year, or so.
>
>   Anybody got a print of it? Sure would take the sport out of trouble
> shooting it!
>
>     Thanks
>
>      Bob, ..........service after the sale.
>

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Re: Older K and W Charger

Bob Rice-2
   Hi Gail;

   Thanks for looking around, for K and W stuff. What I need is the wiring
diagram, or what's UNDER the cover, to troubleshoot the rig.I THINK I have
that? As to how to WIRE it up, etc.I'm afraid what I'm looking for is
propriatery?? Or HIS (K an' W's) idea of the "perfect Charger"Was thinking,
maybe it's been around long enough that it is "Public Domain?"I don't think
it is NASA stuff, though?

   Thanks

   Bob
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Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 1:39 AM
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> Hi Bob,
>
> I have just been looking through my VW manuals for some stuff to send to
> David and I see there are eight pages from KTA Services Inc. which are
> labelled "Application and Installation of the K & W Eng. BC-20 Battery
> Charger".  There are some pictures of a barrier terminal strip with a lot
> of
> wires and screws, a terminal block and a bunch of specifications.  Would
> this be what you are looking for?
>
> Gail
> Las Vegas
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:23 PM
> Subject: [EVDL] Older K and W Charger
>
>
>>  Hey! ANYBODY got a schematic for a older K and W Charger a BC-20? The
>> one
>> I had in my rehomed Sentra, a 90 volter, is tripping circus breakers when
>> plugged in. Anybody familiar with there? Looks like a diode, rectifyer
>> setup, light dimmer setup?Has a small circuit board, I guess to regulate
>> the
>> charging, volts and amps? It has worked fine about a year, or so.
>>
>>   Anybody got a print of it? Sure would take the sport out of trouble
>> shooting it!
>>
>>     Thanks
>>
>>      Bob, ..........service after the sale.
>>
>
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Re: Older K and W Charger

Chuck Hursch-2
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Bob,

When I had that problem with mine several years ago, the
rectifier was blown.  Sent it into K&W in Iowa, and
name-I-forget-now (but I would imagine the name is well known, ah
Klosterman, Brian, comes to me now, I think), fixed it for $38
and sent it back quickly.  Very good service.

Chuck

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>   Hey! ANYBODY got a schematic for a older K and W Charger a
BC-20? The one
> I had in my rehomed Sentra, a 90 volter, is tripping circus
breakers when
> plugged in. Anybody familiar with there? Looks like a diode,
rectifyer
> setup, light dimmer setup?Has a small circuit board, I guess to
regulate the
> charging, volts and amps? It has worked fine about a year, or
so.
>
>    Anybody got a print of it? Sure would take the sport out of
trouble

> shooting it!
>
>      Thanks
>
>       Bob, ..........service after the sale.
>
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Re: Older K and W Charger

CHARLIEP
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Bob Rice-2 wrote
  Hey! ANYBODY got a schematic for a older K and W Charger a BC-20? The one
I had in my rehomed Sentra, a 90 volter, is tripping circus breakers when
plugged in. Anybody familiar with there? Looks like a diode, rectifyer
setup, light dimmer setup?Has a small circuit board, I guess to regulate the
charging, volts and amps? It has worked fine about a year, or so.

   Anybody got a print of it? Sure would take the sport out of trouble
shooting it!

     Thanks

      Bob, ..........service after the sale.

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