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I have approximately 1100 NiCad cells.  I purchased them about 10 years ago as military surplus.  They were used in helicopters.  The specifications are: Saft Model No. KO 14KH-B-1. 11 Amp-Hrs. Size: 2.25" W X 5.25" H, and 1" D.  If anyone needs these batteries and are willing to pay shipping, you can have them.  If not, I am shipping them to the recyclers next week.  In addition, I have the battery links.  Specifications: 1.5" L X 0.5 " W.  Ctr - Ctr hole spacing: 1" Holes dia: 3/16".  The links are Ni plate Cu.  If anyone needs these links, I will sell them for the price of cooper.


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On Thu Nov 01 14:14:48 PDT 2018 [hidden email] said:
>I have approximately 1100 NiCad cells.  I purchased them about 10 years ago as military surplus.  They were used in helicopters.  The specifications are: Saft Model No. KO 14KH-B-1. 11 Amp-Hrs. Size: 2.25" W X 5.25" H, and 1" D.  If anyone needs these batteries and are willing to pay shipping, you can have them.  If not, I am shipping them to the recyclers next week.  In addition, I have the battery links.  Specifications: 1.5" L X 0.5 " W.  Ctr - Ctr hole spacing: 1" Holes dia: 3/16".  The links are Ni plate Cu.  If anyone needs these links, I will sell them for the price of cooper.

What state are you in?


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Re: NICAD Batteries

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I might be interested in playing with some, I have a few projects in mind.  Can you send a picture to rodhower at ameritech dot net Thanks,RodW8RNH

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>I have approximately 1100 NiCad cells.  I purchased them about 10 years ago as military surplus.  They were used in helicopters.  The specifications are: Saft Model No. KO 14KH-B-1. 11 Amp-Hrs. Size: 2.25" W X 5.25" H, and 1" D.  If anyone needs these batteries and are willing to pay shipping, you can have them.  If not, I am shipping them to the recyclers next week.  In addition, I have the battery links.  Specifications: 1.5" L X 0.5 " W.  Ctr - Ctr hole spacing: 1" Holes dia: 3/16".  The links are Ni plate Cu.  If anyone needs these links, I will sell them for the price of cooper.

What state are you in?


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Re: NICAD Batteries

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They were military surplus.  I have not tested the cells/batteries batteries.  The electrolyte has evaporated.  You would need to clean the terminals on each battery with a brush, fill the battery with a solution of distilled water and 30% potassium hydroxide (KOH), charge the battery, and check the discharge rate.



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On Thu Nov 01 14:14:48 PDT 2018 [hidden email] said:
>I have approximately 1100 NiCad cells.  I purchased them about 10 years ago as military surplus.  They were used in helicopters.  The specifications are: Saft Model No. KO 14KH-B-1. 11 Amp-Hrs. Size: 2.25" W X 5.25" H, and 1" D.  If anyone needs these batteries and are willing to pay shipping, you can have them.  If not, I am shipping them to the recyclers next week.  In addition, I have the battery links.  Specifications: 1.5" L X 0.5 " W.  Ctr - Ctr hole spacing: 1" Holes dia: 3/16".  The links are Ni plate Cu.  If anyone needs these links, I will sell them for the price of cooper.

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On Thu Nov 01 20:26:52 PDT 2018 [hidden email] said:
>They were military surplus.  I have not tested the cells/batteries batteries.  The electrolyte has evaporated.  You would need to clean the terminals on each battery with a brush, fill the battery with a solution of distilled water and 30% potassium hydroxide (KOH), charge the battery, and check the discharge rate.

No, do NOT fill them first.  As those of us who have a bunch of BB600 military NiCd's found, just charge them first.
Then, if they are still low after being fully charged, you can add water.
They can look dry - still charge them first!


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And where on this earth might they be located?

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> I have approximately 1100 NiCad cells.  I purchased them about 10 years
> ago as military surplus.  They were used in helicopters.  The
> specifications are: Saft Model No. KO 14KH-B-1. 11 Amp-Hrs. Size: 2.25" W X
> 5.25" H, and 1" D.  If anyone needs these batteries and are willing to pay
> shipping, you can have them.  If not, I am shipping them to the recyclers
> next week.  In addition, I have the battery links.  Specifications: 1.5" L
> X 0.5 " W.  Ctr - Ctr hole spacing: 1" Holes dia: 3/16".  The links are Ni
> plate Cu.  If anyone needs these links, I will sell them for the price of
> cooper.
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Yup, *very* messy if you fill a battery first and then charge, unless you
enjoy dealing with overflowing electrolyte.

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> On Thu Nov 01 20:26:52 PDT 2018 [hidden email] said:
> >They were military surplus.  I have not tested the cells/batteries
> batteries.  The electrolyte has evaporated.  You would need to clean the
> terminals on each battery with a brush, fill the battery with a solution of
> distilled water and 30% potassium hydroxide (KOH), charge the battery, and
> check the discharge rate.
>
> No, do NOT fill them first.  As those of us who have a bunch of BB600
> military NiCd's found, just charge them first.
> Then, if they are still low after being fully charged, you can add water.
> They can look dry - still charge them first!
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My mistake.  You only fill a flooded NICAD after charging.

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Yup, *very* messy if you fill a battery first and then charge, unless you
enjoy dealing with overflowing electrolyte.

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> On Thu Nov 01 20:26:52 PDT 2018 [hidden email] said:
> >They were military surplus.  I have not tested the cells/batteries
> batteries.  The electrolyte has evaporated.  You would need to clean the
> terminals on each battery with a brush, fill the battery with a solution of
> distilled water and 30% potassium hydroxide (KOH), charge the battery, and
> check the discharge rate.
>
> No, do NOT fill them first.  As those of us who have a bunch of BB600
> military NiCd's found, just charge them first.
> Then, if they are still low after being fully charged, you can add water.
> They can look dry - still charge them first!
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Wow, at one time I would have drooled all over these.  In fact I bought a couple hundred surpluss BB600 myself and used them in both my EVs. I'm afraid I am lithium spoiled now.  The flooded NiCads took too much maintenance and were quite messy.  Also, I learned not to put them in an aluminum box :)

Can you share details on the logistics of sending them to the recyclers?  I still have some dead ones laying around I need to properly dispose of some day.

thanks
Damon
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I have approximately 1100 NiCad cells.  I purchased them about 10 years ago as military surplus.  They were used in helicopters.  The specifications are: Saft Model No. KO 14KH-B-1. 11 Amp-Hrs. Size: 2.25" W X 5.25" H, and 1" D.  If anyone needs these batteries and are willing to pay shipping, you can have them.  If not, I am shipping them to the recyclers next week.  In addition, I have the battery links.  Specifications: 1.5" L X 0.5 " W.  Ctr - Ctr hole spacing: 1" Holes dia: 3/16".  The links are Ni plate Cu.  If anyone needs these links, I will sell them for the price of cooper.


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         Hi Damon, Robert and All,                 Assuming they are high output ones  I found these are very good as E bike/trike batteries as very rugged.    I got several 25vdc 12-14amphr batteries of them from some heart/lung machines and was very happy.    Keep them out of sunlight as hurts the case.             The secret is only charging to 95% drastically cuts water use, maintaining them to 1/month with an equalize charge of 110% every week or 2.   They charge fast  to 90%.              Make sure they are under compression or they swell.  They many times come in metal cases for that.               On SAFTs they did  take them at their Atlanta warehouse for recycling  if you ship to them. Google for details.                        Jerry
    On ‎Friday‎, ‎November‎ ‎2‎, ‎2018‎ ‎02‎:‎41‎:‎34‎ ‎PM‎ ‎EDT, Damon Henry via EV <[hidden email]> wrote:  
 
 Wow, at one time I would have drooled all over these.  In fact I bought a couple hundred surpluss BB600 myself and used them in both my EVs. I'm afraid I am lithium spoiled now.  The flooded NiCads took too much maintenance and were quite messy.  Also, I learned not to put them in an aluminum box :)

Can you share details on the logistics of sending them to the recyclers?  I still have some dead ones laying around I need to properly dispose of some day.

thanks
Damon
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I have approximately 1100 NiCad cells.  I purchased them about 10 years ago as military surplus.  They were used in helicopters.  The specifications are: Saft Model No. KO 14KH-B-1. 11 Amp-Hrs. Size: 2.25" W X 5.25" H, and 1" D.  If anyone needs these batteries and are willing to pay shipping, you can have them.  If not, I am shipping them to the recyclers next week.  In addition, I have the battery links.  Specifications: 1.5" L X 0.5 " W.  Ctr - Ctr hole spacing: 1" Holes dia: 3/16".  The links are Ni plate Cu.  If anyone needs these links, I will sell them for the price of cooper.


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I took a quick look at that before buying a few BB660 cells to experiment with as a starting battery for an ice. They seem to meet all the requirements for dropping off in the battery recycle bin at Lowes home centers. It's not a practical way to dispose of a large number, but for a few dead cells, I would just drop one off from time to time.

I'm interested in hearing the details on larger scale recycling too.
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Here in scenic Summit County, Ohio, the county household hazardous waste
dispoal site accepts NiCd cells of any size.  

You have to be a county resident to use the site, though.  Also, they're
only open one day a week, and only in the summer months.  (!)

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I dropped a couple dead SAFT STM5 100s off at our hazardous waste drop  in the NiCad section several years ago.  I came back a second time with more and they stopped me and said they could not take that format...  It's been quite a while, so I guess I could give it a go with a few BB600s and see what they say.  I could also talk to them about large format lithiums.  I'm going to eventually need a plan for those as well.

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I took a quick look at that before buying a few BB660 cells to experiment with as a starting battery for an ice. They seem to meet all the requirements for dropping off in the battery recycle bin at Lowes home centers. It's not a practical way to dispose of a large number, but for a few dead cells, I would just drop one off from time to time.

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Re: NICAD Batteries

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I’m pretty sure that hazardous waste drop-offs do not recycle the batteries.

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> I dropped a couple dead SAFT STM5 100s off at our hazardous waste drop  in the NiCad section several years ago.  I came back a second time with more and they stopped me and said they could not take that format...  It's been quite a while, so I guess I could give it a go with a few BB600s and see what they say.  I could also talk to them about large format lithiums.  I'm going to eventually need a plan for those as well.
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> I took a quick look at that before buying a few BB660 cells to experiment with as a starting battery for an ice. They seem to meet all the requirements for dropping off in the battery recycle bin at Lowes home centers. It's not a practical way to dispose of a large number, but for a few dead cells, I would just drop one off from time to time.
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Re: NICAD Batteries

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Let me edit correct that - that is, unless they say that they do.

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> On Nov 4, 2018, at 7:18 AM, Mark Abramowitz <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I’m pretty sure that hazardous waste drop-offs do not recycle the batteries.
>
> - Mark
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>> On Nov 4, 2018, at 6:33 AM, Damon Henry via EV <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> I dropped a couple dead SAFT STM5 100s off at our hazardous waste drop  in the NiCad section several years ago.  I came back a second time with more and they stopped me and said they could not take that format...  It's been quite a while, so I guess I could give it a go with a few BB600s and see what they say.  I could also talk to them about large format lithiums.  I'm going to eventually need a plan for those as well.
>>
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>> I took a quick look at that before buying a few BB660 cells to experiment with as a starting battery for an ice. They seem to meet all the requirements for dropping off in the battery recycle bin at Lowes home centers. It's not a practical way to dispose of a large number, but for a few dead cells, I would just drop one off from time to time.
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Re: NICAD Batteries

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>> I’m pretty sure that hazardous waste drop-offs do not recycle the batteries.
> Let me edit correct that - that is, unless they say that they do.

Even then, I'm not even sure they do.

The guy at the counter might not know. You'd have to explicitly say they
were nicads; then (maybe) he'd check.

Or, some of these drop-off have been accustomed to just sending
everything to China or somewhere, and letting them sort it out. That
doesn't work any more.

My worry is that they get so few nicads nowdays that they wouldn't know
what they are, or what to do with them. They could wind up just being
thrown into the bin with lead-acids or something else.

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Re: NICAD Batteries

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There are only a few recyclers that take flooded NICad batteries.  The biggest is Battery Recyclers of America.  This company operates the recycle bins at Lowes and Home Depot.  They do not take flooded Nicad batteries or large format battery assemblies at Lowes.  In order to get Battery Recyclers of America or any recycler to take flooded Nicad you must have at least 1000 lb.  They will pickup the batteries for free; however, they charge $0.75 per pound for recycling.  They will issues a recycle certificate.  This recycle certificate is a requirement when buying military surplus aircraft flooded Nicad batteries from the government.  When you buy the batteries the government sends an inspector to see what you are going to do with the batteries.  You must sign a statement saying that when you are finished with the batteries you will recycle the batteries via an approved recycle facility.  Whoever first purchased the batteries from the government must pass on this requirement to the next purchaser. I think, you are going to have a similar requirement for large battery assemblies.  There will be a recycling fee and it will not be low cost.


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Let me edit correct that - that is, unless they say that they do.

- Mark

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> On Nov 4, 2018, at 7:18 AM, Mark Abramowitz <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I’m pretty sure that hazardous waste drop-offs do not recycle the batteries.
>
> - Mark
>
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>> On Nov 4, 2018, at 6:33 AM, Damon Henry via EV <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> I dropped a couple dead SAFT STM5 100s off at our hazardous waste drop  in the NiCad section several years ago.  I came back a second time with more and they stopped me and said they could not take that format...  It's been quite a while, so I guess I could give it a go with a few BB600s and see what they say.  I could also talk to them about large format lithiums.  I'm going to eventually need a plan for those as well.
>>
>> Damon
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>> I took a quick look at that before buying a few BB660 cells to experiment with as a starting battery for an ice. They seem to meet all the requirements for dropping off in the battery recycle bin at Lowes home centers. It's not a practical way to dispose of a large number, but for a few dead cells, I would just drop one off from time to time.
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Re: NICAD Batteries

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I don't know whether they still do, you'd have to check -- but Saft used to
rebuild their cells and batteries (for a fee of course).  Instead of
recycling your NiCd cells, maybe you could have Saft rebuild them, and then
sell them as essentially new ones.

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I don't know whether they still do, you'd have to check -- but Saft used to
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I do not understand your statement "Also, I learned not to put them in an aluminum box " The original boxes were made of aluminum.  In addition, I think all aircraft NiCad use aluminum boxes.  I am sending the batteries to Recyclers of America.  They pay for shipping.  I am paying a $0.75 per pound recycling fee.  Not low cost for 1500 Lb of batteries.


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Wow, at one time I would have drooled all over these.  In fact I bought a couple hundred surpluss BB600 myself and used them in both my EVs. I'm afraid I am lithium spoiled now.  The flooded NiCads took too much maintenance and were quite messy.  Also, I learned not to put them in an aluminum box :)

Can you share details on the logistics of sending them to the recyclers?  I still have some dead ones laying around I need to properly dispose of some day.

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I have approximately 1100 NiCad cells.  I purchased them about 10 years ago as military surplus.  They were used in helicopters.  The specifications are: Saft Model No. KO 14KH-B-1. 11 Amp-Hrs. Size: 2.25" W X 5.25" H, and 1" D.  If anyone needs these batteries and are willing to pay shipping, you can have them.  If not, I am shipping them to the recyclers next week.  In addition, I have the battery links.  Specifications: 1.5" L X 0.5 " W.  Ctr - Ctr hole spacing: 1" Holes dia: 3/16".  The links are Ni plate Cu.  If anyone needs these links, I will sell them for the price of cooper.


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