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Thank you for all your work in weeding out the Smelly crap that passes for news about EVs.  Also thanks for all the great articles you do pass on. It has been great to read and pass on to friends and family.   I did not read those listed and probably wouldn’t especially if they are labeled as you have here.  I vote if you do include, only once in a great while, if at all.  
 
Just reminds me that first they ignore you.  Then they talk down to you.  Then they fight you.  Then you win.  (Or something like that).  
We are in the talk down to and fight stages.  It won’t be long now.

Mark

> % Recently, the disruptive (non-EV) troll that is allowed on the evdl posted
> I should filter what I post.
>
> For those that do not know, multiple times a day, I manually wade through
> searches for EV items EVangels may need to know and evdl readers might enjoy
> reading. This should be only taken on by the EVangel with a strong will (and
> thick skin) as amongst the cesspool of garbage items the Koch Bros have paid
> the media outlets to release, you have to hold your nose to find the few
> tolerable items I find and post.
>
> Though I am not keen on censoring/blocking what EVangels get, in a sense, I
> am already filtering what I post
> (avoiding the turds and Koch $pew
>
> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=search_page&node=413529&query=koch&sort=date
> koch
> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=search_page&node=413529&query=koch
> )
>
> Note: since the new year, there have been few auto shows for the media to
> attend, so there has been a slow down on released EV news items. Also, what
> EVs attend these show, leads to media reports of EVs the public can not get
> the hands on (yet, in 2020, concepts, and other vw-pr wishful-thinking
> inve$tment trolling).
>
> At the beginning of last year, Koch dollar$ were pumping out blatant anti-EV
> media releases.
> The times have changed to a more soft-soap sell method with an
> apple-polishing approach to writing in a style that still leaves the public
> uninformed, but with a feeling the author has the public's back/concerns in
> mind (its differently styled B.S.).
> ...
> https://www.google.com/search?q=soft+soap+meaning
> ...
> https://www.google.com/search?q=apple+polishing+meaning
>
> Below I have placed only a few of incredible amount of unworthy items I come
> across. I normally do not post these as they do not seem worthy of your
> time. But because that is filtering, I thought it would be wise to offer
> these as a (smelly) sample, and let you decide ...
> %
>
>
> blatant anti-ev
>
> https://www.mackinac.org/taxing-the-poor-to-pay-for-your-electric-car
> Taxing the Poor to Pay for Your Electric Car
> January 28, 2019  Electric Vehicles are hip and happening. Media reports
> gush over auto manufacturer plans to transition their fleets to EV
> production in an alleged response to ...
> https://www.mackinac.org/media/images/2019/sizes/720x378/photo-1544176161-1f4656f1812f.jpeg
>
>
> https://www.squamishchief.com/opinion/columnists/opinion-does-the-electric-vehicle-have-staying-power-1.23609366
> OPINION: Does the electric vehicle have staying power?
> January 23, 2019  Much is discussed about the efficiency and low operating
> cost advantages that electric vehicles enjoy over their gasoline
> counterparts. One factor rarely ...
> https://images.glaciermedia.ca/polopoly_fs/1.23609373.1548260925!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_804/pix.jpg
>
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/24/business/electric-vehicles-electrify-america-sacramento.html
> Are Electric Cars Only for the Rich? Sacramento Is Challenging That ...
> Jan. 24, 2019  ?Electric vehicles are for the rich. It's not for us,? said
> Mike Bokan, who owns an auto-repair shop on Franklin Boulevard, explaining a
> prevailing attitude ...
>
>
> https://www.mtdemocrat.com/opinion/the-balancing-act-misleading-the-public-about-electric-vehicles/
> The Balancing Act: Misleading the public about electric vehicles
> 2019-01-28  Leftist (socialist) public policy is attempting to push electric
> vehicles on consumers. They (Environmental Protection Agency and California
> Air Resources Board) ...
>
>
> (baloney, Leberk?se, Griebenschmalz)
>
> https://www.wsj.com/articles/so-many-teslas-so-few-buyers-11548705750
> So Many Teslas, So Few Buyers
> 1/28  California drivers say they are actually disincentivized to buy
> electric vehicles like Teslas due to state carpool laws ...
>
>
> hate-blog
>
> https://www.ihatethemedia.com/are-electric-cars-worse-for-the-environment
> Are electric cars worse for the environment
> January 21, 2019  Electric vehicle subsidies and mandates share an
> unfortunate, and all too common trait with other government policies:
> They?r...
>
>
> semi-hidden dis-informational
>
> https://www.heraldtribune.com/news/20190120/do-americans-care-about-electric-cars
> Do Americans care about electric cars?
> 20190120  DETROIT ? Automakers have promised to start selling hordes of
> electric cars in the next few years, but only two were to be unveiled at the
> big Detroit auto show ...
> ...
> https://www.heraldtribune.com/news/20190120/do-americans-care-about-electric-cars
>
>
> https://www.carscoops.com/2019/01/automakers-grossly-miscalculated-electric-vehicle-demand/
> Have Automakers Grossly Miscalculated Electric Vehicle Demand?
> January 30, 2019  Right now, every major automaker is sinking huge amounts
> of money into developing and producing battery-electric cars, having already
> announced their plans ...
> https://images.carscoops.com/2019/01/c86b835d-mercedes-eq-c-3-768x512.jpg
>
>
> https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinion/analysis/electric-vehicle-study-misfires-on-canada-504585621.html
> Electric vehicle study misfires on Canada
> Jan 19, 2019  A new research study paints a rather misleading picture of
> Canada's adoption of electric vehicles, using data that are essentially
> correct but portrayed to grab ...
>
>
> https://www.gildshire.com/generation-z-electric-cars/
> Generation Z Turns its Collective Back on Electric Cars
> 1/20  Increased advertising exposure on behalf of electric vehicles should
> lead to better sales numbers. If more ads mean more electric cars on the
> road infrastructure ...
> [image  gm/baojun e-100]
>
>
> https://www.pantagraph.com/business/buick-chevrolet-and-cadillac-all-want-in-on-electric-cars/article_2deee914-b04e-5f84-827b-65847e8d5698.html
> Buick, Chevrolet and Cadillac all want in on electric cars
> 2019-01-20  DETROIT ? General Motors' volume brands, Buick and Chevrolet,
> will offer U.S. consumers more all-electric vehicles in the future even as
> GM declares its ...
>
>
> https://www.americanexperiment.org/2019/01/two-electric-cars-premiered-detroit-auto-show/
> Only Two Electric Cars Premiered At Detroit Auto Show
> 1/18  Claims by environmental groups that electric cars would soon be flying
> off the shelves seem to have missed a key player in ma...
>
>
> [dated, but reposted/revalidated on 2019-02-02 - so it shows up again]
>
> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-11-04/electric-cars-face-a-6-trillion-barrier-to-widespread-adoption
> The $6 Trillion Barrier Holding Electric Cars Back
> November 4, 2018  Wouldn?t it be great if we could all drive without
> dirtying the air we breathe? Alas, not everyone can afford an electric car.
> The good news is the death of the internal combustion engine is nearing a...
> https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/i40LOoECDZt4/v1/800x-1.jpg
>
>
> https://www.foxbusiness.com/energy/do-tesla-supercharging-rates-cost-more-than-gas
> Do Tesla Supercharging rates cost more than gas?
> Jan. 26, 2019  The electric-vehicle maker, headed by chief executive Elon
> Musk, announced a significant rise in its Supercharging station rates, just
> as gas prices have tumbled ..
>
>
> https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2019/01/27/the-4-lingering-obstacles-to-electric-vehicle-adoption-and-what-might-overcome-them/#429c774a5c54
> The 4 Lingering Obstacles To Electric Vehicle Adoption (And What Might
> Overcome Them)
> Jan 27, 2019  Electric vehicles continue to grow in popularity, though not
> as quickly as electricity providers would like. EVs represented only 2.4
> percent of sales in the U.S. in ...
>
>
> https://www.businessinsider.com/us-city-driver-save-least-money-driving-ev-2019-1
> 10 cities where buying an electric car may not be worth it
> Electric cars are going to be a major part of our automotive future. Not
> only are they better for the environment due to thei...
>
>
> https://www.businessinsider.com/us-cities-drivers-save-most-money-ev-2019-1
> The 10 US cities where you save the most money by driving an electric car
> Jan. 25, 2019  It seems pretty clear that electric cars are going to be a
> major part of our automotive future. However, the financial benefi...
>
>
> Cold being used as a reason not to drive an EV
>
> https://thestarphoenix.com/news/local-news/five-misconceptions-about-driving-an-electric-car-in-winter
> Five misconceptions about driving an electric car in winter
> January 19, 2019  Five misconceptions about driving an electric car in
> winter ... StarPhoenix reporter Erin Petrow spoke with electric vehicle
> owners and advocates with SaskEV, ..
>
>
> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-02/freezing-cold-means-love-hate-relationships-with-electric-cars
> Tesla Model 3 Owners Vent About Polar Vortex Affecting Cars
> February 2, 2019  The next time a polar vortex rips through the U.S.,
> electric vehicle owners should be prepared to be frustrated if they don't
> take special care of their ...
>
>
> ice vs EVs (is this topic angering truckers to ice/block EVSE?)
>
> http://www.carglancer.com/real-rivalry-between-electric-and-gasoline-vehicles-will-begin-in-5-years/
> Real Rivalry Between Electric And Gasoline Vehicles Will Begin In 5 Years
> January 27, 2019  The main barrier to mass use of electric cars is their
> high cost, which should disappear by 2024, analysts suppose. When the price
> balance between EVs and ...
>
>
> confusing - public left not knowing what to think ...
>
> https://blockpublisher.com/the-electric-car-killers-and-ecoterrorists-are-trying-to-kill-bitcoin/
> Killers Of The Electric Car And EcoTerrorists Are Trying To Kill Bitcoin
> February 2, 2019  If you think Tesla is the first and fab electric car to
> come out then think again because breakthroughs usually fail at first. Tesla
> is good timing and pleasing ...
> https://i2.wp.com/media.giphy.com/media/2YpKKisF6EuPobXAbn/giphy.gif?w=1220&ssl=1
>
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> Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2019 23:12:35 -0600 (CST)
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> Subject: [EVDL] EVonTVs: e-tron GT EV on Super Bowl Ad (v)
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> https://cleantechnica.com/2019/02/02/audi-super-bowl-ad-showcases-e-tron-gt-concept/
> Audi Super Bowl Ad Showcases e-tron GT Concept
> February 2nd, 2019  Steve Hanley
>
> [videos  
> https://youtu.be/Jk6VIswOCmU
> Audi #DriveProgress Super Bowl Commercial: ?Daughter?
>
> https://youtu.be/Xrgq2CIag6M
> Audi USA  Audi Presents: Cashew
> ]
>
> Audi will present a 60-second ad during the Super Bowl on Sunday. This
> year?s spot, created by Venable Bell & Partners, focuses on electric cars.
> The company?s prior ads have all been more than just ?Run out and buy an
> Audi right now!? pitches. It has used them to promote ideas as well as
> sales. In 2017, it ran its now famous ?Daughter? spot that called for equal
> pay for women.
>
> The new ad is called ?Cashew,? and here is what Loren Angelo, vice president
> of marketing for Audi of America, told AdWeek about it: ?The biggest night
> in football offers a national platform to share our commitment to
> electrification while showcasing the future of electric performance with the
> Audi e-tron GT concept, which Audi anticipates going into production in two
> years. Discerning viewers will also notice a cameo by the e-tron SUV, which
> is scheduled to hit U.S. showrooms in the second quarter of this year.?
>
> The spot begins with gauzy view of a farm house set in the middle of a
> field. Next, a hand comes into view and a man is seen walking toward the
> house, where he meets his grandfather on the front porch. Granddad takes him
> into the garage, where he pulls the cover off an Audi GT concept car.
>
> As the grandfather unplugs the car from its charger, the grandson climbs in
> and is awed by the car. Suddenly a bright white light shines through the
> windshield and then. ? Well, you will have to view the ad for yourself to
> see what happens next. Look for it during the second quarter of Sunday?s
> game.
>
> The last several seconds of the spot focus on Audi?s projected electric car
> lineup ? the e-tron SUV coming soon to an Audi dealer near you, an electric
> Audi e-tron sedan to follow, and the concept e-tron GT that is expected in 2
> years ? or so. The car has already had a nearly decade long gestation period
> ...
> [? cleantechnica.com]
>
>
> https://www.motor1.com/news/303600/audi-super-bowl-commercial-heavenly/
> Audi E-Tron GT Super Bowl Commercial Is A Heavenly Experience
> Feb 01, 2019 - In reality, the Super Bowl ad only features the e-tron GT
> concept car ... showcasing the future of electric performance with the Audi
> e-tron GT ...
> https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/lYb8E/s1/audi-e-tron-gt-concept-super-bowl-ad.jpg
>
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étron.fr = POS : Turds

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[ref
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Re-Turds-tp4692766.html
Mark sez> ... thanks for all the great articles you do pass on. It has been
great to read and pass on to friends and family ...<
]

% My thanks for the feedback of my free work since 1990 :-)
Mark's subject word, had me finding it interesting that in the last link
below from 2011, Audi still does not seem to care that their product is
named caca
https://www.google.com/search?q=caca
%


https://www.inquisitr.com/5280830/audi-electric-vehicle-e-tron-excrement-turd/
Audi’s Electric Vehicle Shares Its Name With The French Word For Excrement
February 4, 2019  Kevin Tall

[image  
https://cdn.inquisitr.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/audi-e-tron.jpg


share
https://twitter.com/EconomicTimes/status/1088021020944916481
]

The Audi E-tron is a seeming false cognate with the French word for
'excrement' or 'turd.'

German automaker Audi should have thought about checking with its neighbors
in France before settling on a name for its new all-electric line, the
e-tron. As it happens, it’s a little too close to the French word “étron,”[
https://translate.google.com/#view=home&op=translate&sl=fr&tl=en&text=%C3%A9tron
] which means “excrement” or “turd.”

Audi is literally calling its new vehicle a POS.

But let’s not let that distract from the excitement of the company’s shiny
Super Bowl LIII commercial, which, as seen on YouTube [
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xrgq2CIag6M
], starred a cashew. Well, it starred an office drone choking on a cashew,
having a vision of being given the e-tron by his grandfather in a pastoral
paradise, rounded out by a clip of Norman Greenbaum’s “Spirit in the Sky.”

In the ad, Audi promised that “One-third of all new Audi models will be
electrified by 2025.”

“A new era of electric is here. Meet the Audi e-tron, the only electric SUV
built with Audi DNA. With ample space for everyday life, long-range
capability and exhilarating performance with Quattro all-wheel drive, this
is way more than an electric car. This is electric done the Audi way,” reads
the Audi website.

Twitter reactions to the Super Bowl spot were generally positive, with most
users agreeing that Audi had one of the better commercials from the evening.
They must not parlez francais.

“No to chunky milk. Pepsi is NOT okay. Audi eTron is winning. #SuperBowl,”
user Kim Overstreet tweeted.

“Ok that Audi eTron commercial was pretty good #SuperBowl53,” tweeted
KnitGnosis.

But not everyone was pleased.

“Disappointed with #Audi #etron ad – Audi is usually so clever with its
#SuperBowl advertising. #SuperBowlExp #brandexperience,” said Debbie Laskey.

The lone reply that tweet received was from someone who finally got it.

“I just can’t stop laughing at the name etron. In French, it means ‘Turd.’
Such a good name XD,” tweeted GileadRoland – Ciaphas, whose Twitter bio
lists their location as Strasbourg, France.

The Audi e-tron may be somewhat unfortunately named, but it’s not the first
product to have such a distinction and it doubtless won’t be the last. Take,
for example, Pee Cola, a soft drink from Ghana. Beverage site Dizzy Frinks [
http://www.dizzyfrinks.com/pee-cola/
] notes that the soda is bottled in Ghana’s capital city of Accra and points
out that Ghana’s official language is English. Awkward. Dizzy Frinks users
ranked Pee Cola 7.6 overall, averaged across 50 ratings.

Not content with Pee Cola, Ghana is also on the list of poorly-named
products with Shitto, a spicy pepper sauce. You can buy Shitto on Amazon,
just like almost everything else in the world.
[© inquisitr.com]


http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVonTVs-e-tron-GT-EV-on-Super-Bowl-Ad-v-tp4692759.html
EVonTVs: e-tron GT EV on Super Bowl Ad (v)
Feb 02 2019
...
https://www.google.com/search?q=Dizzy+Frinks+Pee+Cola
...
https://www.google.com/search?q=Shitto+sauce&tbm=isch
...
https://www.google.com/search?q=Shitto+sauce&tbm=shop
...
https://worldwideinterweb.com/worst-product-names-ever/
 ... some ridiculously named products on store shelves ...
https://www.boredpanda.com/food-name-fails/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=organic
...
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/2013-VW-Golf-Blue-E-motion-EV-Audi-e-Tron-excrement-tp3208437.html
... French synonyms for étron include caca and excrément. Or ... in English,
it means "crap, dirt, droppings ... muck, poop ...
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/chevrolet-nova-name-spanish/
 ... Pemex gasoline in Mexico under the name "Nova." (no va means "won't go)
...
Jan 11, 2011




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Hilarious.  Thanks for this.


- Mark

Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone

> On Feb 4, 2019, at 10:40 AM, brucedp5 via EV <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
>
> [ref
> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Re-Turds-tp4692766.html
> Mark sez> ... thanks for all the great articles you do pass on. It has been
> great to read and pass on to friends and family ...<
> ]
>
> % My thanks for the feedback of my free work since 1990 :-)
> Mark's subject word, had me finding it interesting that in the last link
> below from 2011, Audi still does not seem to care that their product is
> named caca
> https://www.google.com/search?q=caca
> %
>
>
> https://www.inquisitr.com/5280830/audi-electric-vehicle-e-tron-excrement-turd/
> Audi’s Electric Vehicle Shares Its Name With The French Word For Excrement
> February 4, 2019  Kevin Tall
>
> [image  
> https://cdn.inquisitr.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/audi-e-tron.jpg
>
>
> share
> https://twitter.com/EconomicTimes/status/1088021020944916481
> ]
>
> The Audi E-tron is a seeming false cognate with the French word for
> 'excrement' or 'turd.'
>
> German automaker Audi should have thought about checking with its neighbors
> in France before settling on a name for its new all-electric line, the
> e-tron. As it happens, it’s a little too close to the French word “étron,”[
> https://translate.google.com/#view=home&op=translate&sl=fr&tl=en&text=%C3%A9tron
> ] which means “excrement” or “turd.”
>
> Audi is literally calling its new vehicle a POS.
>
> But let’s not let that distract from the excitement of the company’s shiny
> Super Bowl LIII commercial, which, as seen on YouTube [
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xrgq2CIag6M
> ], starred a cashew. Well, it starred an office drone choking on a cashew,
> having a vision of being given the e-tron by his grandfather in a pastoral
> paradise, rounded out by a clip of Norman Greenbaum’s “Spirit in the Sky.”
>
> In the ad, Audi promised that “One-third of all new Audi models will be
> electrified by 2025.”
>
> “A new era of electric is here. Meet the Audi e-tron, the only electric SUV
> built with Audi DNA. With ample space for everyday life, long-range
> capability and exhilarating performance with Quattro all-wheel drive, this
> is way more than an electric car. This is electric done the Audi way,” reads
> the Audi website.
>
> Twitter reactions to the Super Bowl spot were generally positive, with most
> users agreeing that Audi had one of the better commercials from the evening.
> They must not parlez francais.
>
> “No to chunky milk. Pepsi is NOT okay. Audi eTron is winning. #SuperBowl,”
> user Kim Overstreet tweeted.
>
> “Ok that Audi eTron commercial was pretty good #SuperBowl53,” tweeted
> KnitGnosis.
>
> But not everyone was pleased.
>
> “Disappointed with #Audi #etron ad – Audi is usually so clever with its
> #SuperBowl advertising. #SuperBowlExp #brandexperience,” said Debbie Laskey.
>
> The lone reply that tweet received was from someone who finally got it.
>
> “I just can’t stop laughing at the name etron. In French, it means ‘Turd.’
> Such a good name XD,” tweeted GileadRoland – Ciaphas, whose Twitter bio
> lists their location as Strasbourg, France.
>
> The Audi e-tron may be somewhat unfortunately named, but it’s not the first
> product to have such a distinction and it doubtless won’t be the last. Take,
> for example, Pee Cola, a soft drink from Ghana. Beverage site Dizzy Frinks [
> http://www.dizzyfrinks.com/pee-cola/
> ] notes that the soda is bottled in Ghana’s capital city of Accra and points
> out that Ghana’s official language is English. Awkward. Dizzy Frinks users
> ranked Pee Cola 7.6 overall, averaged across 50 ratings.
>
> Not content with Pee Cola, Ghana is also on the list of poorly-named
> products with Shitto, a spicy pepper sauce. You can buy Shitto on Amazon,
> just like almost everything else in the world.
> [© inquisitr.com]
>
>
> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVonTVs-e-tron-GT-EV-on-Super-Bowl-Ad-v-tp4692759.html
> EVonTVs: e-tron GT EV on Super Bowl Ad (v)
> Feb 02 2019
> ...
> https://www.google.com/search?q=Dizzy+Frinks+Pee+Cola
> ...
> https://www.google.com/search?q=Shitto+sauce&tbm=isch
> ...
> https://www.google.com/search?q=Shitto+sauce&tbm=shop
> ...
> https://worldwideinterweb.com/worst-product-names-ever/
> ... some ridiculously named products on store shelves ...
> https://www.boredpanda.com/food-name-fails/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=organic
> ...
> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/2013-VW-Golf-Blue-E-motion-EV-Audi-e-Tron-excrement-tp3208437.html
> ... French synonyms for étron include caca and excrément. Or ... in English,
> it means "crap, dirt, droppings ... muck, poop ...
> https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/chevrolet-nova-name-spanish/
> ... Pemex gasoline in Mexico under the name "Nova." (no va means "won't go)
> ...
> Jan 11, 2011
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