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Has anyone been able to talk to the LEAF inverter directly? I know it's possible to run the LEAF drivetrain outside the car if you take enough of the car with it, but It would be a lot easier if you could just send CAN commands directly to the inverter.

Bill
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Re: Using the LEAF drivetrain in a conversion

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Bill,

I took everything under the hood out of a 2011 Leaf and already sold the
motor (and gave the halfshafts and mounts with it) but I still have the
inverter. I also own (and commute in) a 2011 Leaf.
It is probably possible to capture and reverse-engineer the CAN bus and
other signals to the inverter. I can look at the Service Docs (esp
wiring diagram) to figure out what signals go where.
I see that the inverters sell on Ebay for $700.

NOTE that the 2013+ Leaf inverter is different from the 2011/2012 model,
since the 2011/2012 have everything in separate boxes: power control
(switching the HV) is in a separate box near the firewall, charger is in
a separate box behind the rear seat and the inverter is in a separate
box above the motor.
For the 2013+ everything is integrated in one layered box above the
motor.
Regards,

Cor van de Water
Chief Scientist
Proxim Wireless
 
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Subject: [EVDL] Using the LEAF drivetrain in a conversion

Has anyone been able to talk to the LEAF inverter directly? I know it's
possible to run the LEAF drivetrain outside the car if you take enough
of the car with it, but It would be a lot easier if you could just send
CAN commands directly to the inverter.

Bill
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Re: Using the LEAF drivetrain in a conversion

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I would really like to put a Leaf drivetrain in a 2000 Honda Insight.  I have two Insights and just bought a 2014 Chevy Volt, so I have time to work on my 'project cars'.  At 1850 lbs, I would think the Insight with a Leaf system would be very quick and have considerable range.  Not sure how much work would be required on an adapter plate for a Leaf motor to Insight transmission would be?  I wonder if anybody has tried this conversion.

    On Thursday, January 5, 2017 8:50 PM, Cor van de Water via EV <[hidden email]> wrote:
 

 Bill,

I took everything under the hood out of a 2011 Leaf and already sold the
motor (and gave the halfshafts and mounts with it) but I still have the
inverter. I also own (and commute in) a 2011 Leaf.
It is probably possible to capture and reverse-engineer the CAN bus and
other signals to the inverter. I can look at the Service Docs (esp
wiring diagram) to figure out what signals go where.
I see that the inverters sell on Ebay for $700.

NOTE that the 2013+ Leaf inverter is different from the 2011/2012 model,
since the 2011/2012 have everything in separate boxes: power control
(switching the HV) is in a separate box near the firewall, charger is in
a separate box behind the rear seat and the inverter is in a separate
box above the motor.
For the 2013+ everything is integrated in one layered box above the
motor.
Regards,

Cor van de Water
Chief Scientist
Proxim Wireless
 
office +1 408 383 7626                    Skype: cor_van_de_water
XoIP  +31 87 784 1130                    private: cvandewater.info

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Subject: [EVDL] Using the LEAF drivetrain in a conversion

Has anyone been able to talk to the LEAF inverter directly? I know it's
possible to run the LEAF drivetrain outside the car if you take enough
of the car with it, but It would be a lot easier if you could just send
CAN commands directly to the inverter.

Bill
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I've seen one with a Warp 9 in it. They claimed it was an easy conversion

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> On Jan 5, 2017, at 9:25 PM, via EV <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I would really like to put a Leaf drivetrain in a 2000 Honda Insight.  I have two Insights and just bought a 2014 Chevy Volt, so I have time to work on my 'project cars'.  At 1850 lbs, I would think the Insight with a Leaf system would be very quick and have considerable range.  Not sure how much work would be required on an adapter plate for a Leaf motor to Insight transmission would be?  I wonder if anybody has tried this conversion.
>
>    On Thursday, January 5, 2017 8:50 PM, Cor van de Water via EV <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
> Bill,
>
> I took everything under the hood out of a 2011 Leaf and already sold the
> motor (and gave the halfshafts and mounts with it) but I still have the
> inverter. I also own (and commute in) a 2011 Leaf.
> It is probably possible to capture and reverse-engineer the CAN bus and
> other signals to the inverter. I can look at the Service Docs (esp
> wiring diagram) to figure out what signals go where.
> I see that the inverters sell on Ebay for $700.
>
> NOTE that the 2013+ Leaf inverter is different from the 2011/2012 model,
> since the 2011/2012 have everything in separate boxes: power control
> (switching the HV) is in a separate box near the firewall, charger is in
> a separate box behind the rear seat and the inverter is in a separate
> box above the motor.
> For the 2013+ everything is integrated in one layered box above the
> motor.
> Regards,
>
> Cor van de Water
> Chief Scientist
> Proxim Wireless
>  
> office +1 408 383 7626                    Skype: cor_van_de_water
> XoIP  +31 87 784 1130                    private: cvandewater.info
>
> http://www.proxim.com
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> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 11:36 AM
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> Subject: [EVDL] Using the LEAF drivetrain in a conversion
>
> Has anyone been able to talk to the LEAF inverter directly? I know it's
> possible to run the LEAF drivetrain outside the car if you take enough
> of the car with it, but It would be a lot easier if you could just send
> CAN commands directly to the inverter.
>
> Bill
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Re: Using the LEAF drivetrain in a conversion

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In case you haven't seen them yet, here are a couple links, one to a guy who's putting a Leaf drivetrain into an Insight, and another who's putting the Leaf drivetrain into a Saab Sonett III.  The Saab Sonett thread has quite a bit of detail about the Leaf drivetrain.  

http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthread.php/project-nissan-leaf-drivetrain-into-02-honda-insight-30966.html

http://www.diyelectriccar.com/forums/showthread.php/re-using-complete-leaf-drive-system-151458.html

Bill

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Subject: Re: [EVDL] Using the LEAF drivetrain in a conversion

I would really like to put a Leaf drivetrain in a 2000 Honda Insight.  I have two Insights and just bought a 2014 Chevy Volt, so I have time to work on my 'project cars'.  At 1850 lbs, I would think the Insight with a Leaf system would be very quick and have considerable range.  Not sure how much work would be required on an adapter plate for a Leaf motor to Insight transmission would be?  I wonder if anybody has tried this conversion.

    On Thursday, January 5, 2017 8:50 PM, Cor van de Water via EV <[hidden email]> wrote:
 

 Bill,

I took everything under the hood out of a 2011 Leaf and already sold the motor (and gave the halfshafts and mounts with it) but I still have the inverter. I also own (and commute in) a 2011 Leaf.
It is probably possible to capture and reverse-engineer the CAN bus and other signals to the inverter. I can look at the Service Docs (esp wiring diagram) to figure out what signals go where.
I see that the inverters sell on Ebay for $700.

NOTE that the 2013+ Leaf inverter is different from the 2011/2012 model, since the 2011/2012 have everything in separate boxes: power control (switching the HV) is in a separate box near the firewall, charger is in a separate box behind the rear seat and the inverter is in a separate box above the motor.
For the 2013+ everything is integrated in one layered box above the motor.
Regards,

Cor van de Water
Chief Scientist
Proxim Wireless
 
office +1 408 383 7626                    Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP  +31 87 784 1130                    private: cvandewater.info

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Subject: [EVDL] Using the LEAF drivetrain in a conversion

Has anyone been able to talk to the LEAF inverter directly? I know it's possible to run the LEAF drivetrain outside the car if you take enough of the car with it, but It would be a lot easier if you could just send CAN commands directly to the inverter.

Bill
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To my knowledge, no one has seriously attempted this yet. There are
links in this thread to the people who are trying to do it with the
ECU, LBC, etc from a Leaf (basically the whole drive and battery
system). But, like you, I'd really rather not have to do this.

However, I have a 2012 driving Leaf and I've gotten several captures
from the power train bus. I also have a 2012 inverter and motor on the
bench. And, within my github repos there is a project that generates
the proper security byte for inverter control messages. So, you'd
think I could make the stuff work. I have had luck in doing this
several other oem drive trains. But, I just haven't gotten around to
trying it very seriously yet. I don't see why it wouldn't be possible
to do. Perhaps I should make more effort to get over to the bench and
try it. After all, there are more Leafs on the road (by far!) than any
of the other drive systems that have been cracked. The Leaf system is
90kW I think which is a pretty good size for a small car. Being able
to use salvage drive trains from these cars would really be something.

As a bonus, I have a 2013 driving Leaf too. So, if anyone wants to
send me a 2013 or newer motor and inverter I'd give that a whirl too.
;)

Anyway, I've got all the parts to make this happen I just need a swift
kick in the pants. So, maybe people should bug me every so often until
it happens.

PS: mynissanleaf.com is a good resource for technical info on the
Leaf. Here's a huge thread about CAN message decoding:
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=4131

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Bill Collins via EV <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Has anyone been able to talk to the LEAF inverter directly? I know it's possible to run the LEAF drivetrain outside the car if you take enough of the car with it, but It would be a lot easier if you could just send CAN commands directly to the inverter.
>
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We have several running that has been developed by our associates. It is
not a easy task and has taken years to accomplish. Can do for others at a
cost of ???.